Election 2019

[greygoose]

ecsrobin said:

The Mrs has a mate whose a teacher so I am now “Rob the racist” because I support the conservatives, she won’t ever allow me to counter her claims so I gave up and despite a wedding with not seen her since thankfully.

Your wife’s friend would tell you to use who’s!

[CrutyRammers]

Digga said:

have set this placeholder on my FB page this week:

Like. Might nick that.

[vaud]

janesmith1950 said:

We were accosted outside our children's primary school at collection time by some Labour canvassers last week. They got quite aggressive with us when we failed to engage with them, telling us how awful the school is without the extra funding Labour would provide.

The school is fine and I just don't understand what people think they will achieve by doorstepping parents when they're going about their business.

Edited by janesmith1950 on Wednesday 11th December 08:09

They have been targeting a lot of schools locally.

[Bergs]

chrispmartha said:

Bergs said:

I did something stupid last night, I entered into a debate with a labour supporter on social media.

Want to guess how it went?

I got called a racist and cruel before we'd even got 2 sentences in.. and they've since deleted their comments.

Have people lost the ability to have a proper debate without resorting to stereotyping and name calling? I feel like the whole thing has become toxic and I blame the 2 main parties for that - they've hardly behaved.

Have a read of the comments on the conservative facebook group if you've not already, look at the language used and the levels of bitterness and anger pointed at Tory supporters.

I wonder how they have the time to spend trolling as much as they do - I wish I had that much spare time.

And some of the Brexit at all costs and anti Labour stuff is just as bad, I’ve been called a deluded marxist Labour fantasist on SM for questioning some clean Brexit none sense, I’ve never voted Labour.

The whole thing is Toxic and in the gutter.

Oh I agree, I think we've got issues on both sides.

I also think people forget that once the election is over we have to go back to living alongside each other..

[anonymous-user]

Zirconia said:

Oh hell. Just realised. With Labour possibly in for kicking in Wales (Friday obvs for the real picture), we could end up with Plaid a a comparable or bigger opposition to the Blues here.

Bugger.

We will never hear the end of it.

And f you do they will probably say it in Welsh to confuse you anyway

[Halb]

Zirconia said:

uk66fastback said:

1983 and 2017 General Elections ... wonder how different the UK will look on Friday ...

Edited by uk66fastback on Wednesday 11th December 02:52

Oh hell. Just realised. With Labour possibly in for kicking in Wales (Friday obvs for the real picture), we could end up with Plaid a a comparable or bigger opposition to the Blues here.

Bugger.

We will never hear the end of it.

love maps
Just took a look at PC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaid_Cymru#Platform
What do they think their economy will mostly be?

[greygoose]

Bergs said:

Oh I agree, I think we've got issues on both sides.

I also think people forget that once the election is over we have to go back to living alongside each other..

Didn’t seem to work after the referendum!

[Shappers24]

MG CHRIS said:

From the feeling around wales it could be a possibility wales could turn blue the only thing stopping them is the valleys which has way to many seats for its tiny area. I don't know any body how is voting labour with most either reluctantly voting tory and going for plaid cymru.
Even my next door neighbour him and his wife are voting tory due to corbyns plans on housing and land which would loss them thousands.
There is a huge lack of trust with labour its failures in the assembly, wasting money on Cardiff airport, circuit of wales, m4 relief road plus other failures is causing a big shift in voting patterns. Also put in the huge leave vote especially in the valleys and with labour flip flopping on Brexit if things go good maybe some valley seats could switch sides but that is a huge if.

I think this nay also be influenced in the recent shift of people historically who lived around Bristol area but have moved into Wales for cheaper housing. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Had a very unpleasant labour bod show up on my door step the other day. Wanted to know all the ins and outs of how I was voting. Very aggressive and pushy, not a good show.

[Digga]

greygoose said:

Bergs said:

Oh I agree, I think we've got issues on both sides.

I also think people forget that once the election is over we have to go back to living alongside each other..

Didn’t seem to work after the referendum!

I see it the other way around.

It has been an instructive means to weed out people I don't want to spend time with. That is not to say that I will avoid those who disagree, but certainly those with the more toxic mindsets and approaches to politics, on both side. Life too short to share it with negative and stupid people.

[Bergs]

Shappers24 said:

Had a very unpleasant labour bod show up on my door step the other day. Wanted to know all the ins and outs of how I was voting. Very aggressive and pushy, not a good show.

I wish they'd change their strategy.

I never understand the thought process behind it - "I'll belittle and bully people into listening to me, that'll work"

[Halb]

Bergs said:

I wonder how they have the time to spend trolling as much as they do - I wish I had that much spare time.

Just look at some of the melons that post on here. Must be a job for them!

[Zirconia]

Halb said:

love maps
Just took a look at PC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plaid_Cymru#Platform
What do they think their economy will mostly be?

Sheep and water or something.

[anonymous-user]

Halb said:

Bergs said:

I wonder how they have the time to spend trolling as much as they do - I wish I had that much spare time.

Just look at some of the melons that post on here. Must be a job for them!

You must have one of the highest posts per day ratio on here.

[Halb]

El stovey said:

You must have one of the highest posts per day ratio on here.

And I've not had a raise since 2015!!!!

[Zirconia]

techiedave said:

And f you do they will probably say it in Welsh to confuse you anyway

They recently spent a lot of time in the Welsh Assembly arguing over what to call the Senedd. It is now bi lingual. No one really objected to Senedd. But they (assemble members) had to be seen to be fair in their eyes.

Shappers24 said:

MG CHRIS said:

From the feeling around wales it could be a possibility wales could turn blue the only thing stopping them is the valleys which has way to many seats for its tiny area. I don't know any body how is voting labour with most either reluctantly voting tory and going for plaid cymru.
Even my next door neighbour him and his wife are voting tory due to corbyns plans on housing and land which would loss them thousands.
There is a huge lack of trust with labour its failures in the assembly, wasting money on Cardiff airport, circuit of wales, m4 relief road plus other failures is causing a big shift in voting patterns. Also put in the huge leave vote especially in the valleys and with labour flip flopping on Brexit if things go good maybe some valley seats could switch sides but that is a huge if.

I think this nay also be influenced in the recent shift of people historically who lived around Bristol area but have moved into Wales for cheaper housing. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Had a very unpleasant labour bod show up on my door step the other day. Wanted to know all the ins and outs of how I was voting. Very aggressive and pushy, not a good show.

I expect that the Assembly Labour section are panicking a bit. Election is 2021 though, some time to breathe. But they should be OK I expect now they have lowered the voting age to 16 and allowed 33,000 foreigners the right to vote.

[Digga]

Zirconia said:

techiedave said:

And f you do they will probably say it in Welsh to confuse you anyway

They recently spent a lot of time in the Welsh Assembly arguing over what to call the Senedd. It is now bi lingual. No one really objected to Senedd. But they (assemble members) had to be seen to be fair in their eyes.

Shappers24 said:

MG CHRIS said:

From the feeling around wales it could be a possibility wales could turn blue the only thing stopping them is the valleys which has way to many seats for its tiny area. I don't know any body how is voting labour with most either reluctantly voting tory and going for plaid cymru.
Even my next door neighbour him and his wife are voting tory due to corbyns plans on housing and land which would loss them thousands.
There is a huge lack of trust with labour its failures in the assembly, wasting money on Cardiff airport, circuit of wales, m4 relief road plus other failures is causing a big shift in voting patterns. Also put in the huge leave vote especially in the valleys and with labour flip flopping on Brexit if things go good maybe some valley seats could switch sides but that is a huge if.

I think this nay also be influenced in the recent shift of people historically who lived around Bristol area but have moved into Wales for cheaper housing. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

Had a very unpleasant labour bod show up on my door step the other day. Wanted to know all the ins and outs of how I was voting. Very aggressive and pushy, not a good show.

I expect that the Assembly Labour section are panicking a bit. Election is 2021 though, some time to breathe. But they should be OK I expect now they have lowered the voting age to 16 and allowed 33,000 foreigners the right to vote.

Add into the above, for Wales, the moronic decision by Labour to not build the additional road around Newport, despite the Severn crossing now having two bridges funneling traffic into the area. that pissed a lot of people off, quite rightly.

[bad company]

Nicked from another site but appropriate for me:-

I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction this coming Thursday.
I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.
On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit and he’s also a bit posh.
And on the other hand..
Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.
AND THEN... there’s Diane Abbot & John McDonnell .....
So it’s a tricky one really

[Evercross]

I figured this was the right place to post the following thoughts, based on election fatigue.....

The messages from the parties

• Vote SNP - get a Labour-SNP alliance and the prospect of TWO more votes and another 12-18 months of electioneering
• Vote Labour - get a Labour majority and the prospect of ONE more vote and another 6-12 months of electioneering
• Vote Conservative or Liberal - get a decisive decision on Brexit one way or another and 4-5 years of no electioneering.

[anonymous-user]

I really hope Boris doesn't get a majority. Really dreading another 5+ years of this brexit st.

People need to look beyond brexit. Boris is a menace, and things like the NHS and our sovereignty are more important than brexit. Once the NHS is sold off and a bad deal done with the US it will be very, very hard to undo.

You might not like Labour but there will be another election in 5 years time when it can all be undone. Not so with brexit and a bad Boris deal.

[Zirconia]

Digga said:

Add into the above, for Wales, the moronic decision by Labour to not build the additional road around Newport, despite the Severn crossing now having two bridges funneling traffic into the area. that pissed a lot of people off, quite rightly.

Drakeford was never going to let that happen. Jones would have. But he will have a lagoon built with dubious claims tariffs and funding because green.