Election 2019

Poll: Election 2019

Total Members Polled: 1601

Conservative Party: 58%
Labour: 8%
Lib Dem: 19%
Green: 1%
Brexit Party: 7%
UKIP: 0%
SNP: 1%
Plaid Cymru: 0%
Other.: 2%
Spoil ballot paper. : 5%
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Earthdweller

13,632 posts

127 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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booboise blueboys said:
Tories start melting if they come in to contact with a bit of perfume? Hahaha. Says a lot about their personal hygiene I think and probably why they support a leader who looks like he has just crawled out of a sewer.

But seriously, this Tory activist may have just stank and a member of the public was giving a helping hand? Nothing to see here.
Why would you post such a thing ?

A chemical injury to your eyes can be vision threatening. Since permanent damage can occur in less than five minutes, this is an ocular emergency that requires immediate treatment.

seemingly harmless items like perfume, nail polish and remover, along with other types of cosmetics, can burn your eyes and cause permanent damage to your sight

It is no laughing or joking matter

P5BNij

15,875 posts

107 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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I never thought I'd say this but even when JawKnee was here there was much less nastiness, unlike the latest intake of trolls.

Jordan210

4,539 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Halb said:
whhhhaaa?
Due to the postal vote thing earlier.

hashtag SackKuenssberg was trending earlier. for about the 4th time this month

booboise blueboys

546 posts

60 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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I'm in an ultra marginal seat. News is emerging that people haven't received their postal votes (no surprise, this Tory council has a track record of messing these things up).

This is not good for the elderly Tory vote here and will help Labour.

turbobloke

104,119 posts

261 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Jordan210 said:
Halb said:
whhhhaaa?
Due to the postal vote thing earlier.

hashtag SackKuenssberg was trending earlier. for about the 4th time this month
She's been with the Corbyn entourage.

Laura Kuenssberg
Verified account
@bbclaurak

"Just been at one of last Corbyn rallies - he tells us after ‘we’re gonna win this thing’."

She should have asked where Shergar went.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Cooling off period.

I think this could be a great addition to democracy. In future voters should be able to change their votes within say a 28 day period,
It’s easily managed. We have an election. Up to 28 days later a voter can ring the person at the council or electoral body and say “ hi it’s June I’ve changed my mind from scruffy chap with dubious morals to scruffy chap with better hair and dubious morals “
This would be simply recorded as a deduction for party A and increase for Party B. After 28 days the votes would be tallied and whoever had the highest vote would then be invited or continue as the MP
If enough changed from say Conservative to Labour then the Labour Leader would be invited to form a government.
It’s the same as buying anything long distance or taking xmas gifts back to Argos. If it’s good enough for our shopping habits then surely its just as good for the other important decision we make

Dont like rolls

3,798 posts

55 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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techiedave said:
Cooling off period.

I think this could be a great addition to democracy. In future voters should be able to change their votes within say a 28 day period,
It’s easily managed. We have an election. Up to 28 days later a voter can ring the person at the council or electoral body and say “ hi it’s June I’ve changed my mind from scruffy chap with dubious morals to scruffy chap with better hair and dubious morals “
This would be simply recorded as a deduction for party A and increase for Party B. After 28 days the votes would be tallied and whoever had the highest vote would then be invited or continue as the MP
If enough changed from say Conservative to Labour then the Labour Leader would be invited to form a government.
It’s the same as buying anything long distance or taking xmas gifts back to Argos. If it’s good enough for our shopping habits then surely its just as good for the other important decision we make
I suppose a doobie after dinner is OK....crack on and pass a MarsBar

CAPP0

19,622 posts

204 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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P5BNij said:
I never thought I'd say this but even when JawKnee was here there was much less nastiness, unlike the latest intake of trolls.
Surely "....unlike the latest bunch of regulars posting under a pseudonym"?

booboise blueboys

546 posts

60 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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techiedave said:
Cooling off period.

I think this could be a great addition to democracy. In future voters should be able to change their votes within say a 28 day period,
It’s easily managed. We have an election. Up to 28 days later a voter can ring the person at the council or electoral body and say “ hi it’s June I’ve changed my mind from scruffy chap with dubious morals to scruffy chap with better hair and dubious morals “
This would be simply recorded as a deduction for party A and increase for Party B. After 28 days the votes would be tallied and whoever had the highest vote would then be invited or continue as the MP
If enough changed from say Conservative to Labour then the Labour Leader would be invited to form a government.
It’s the same as buying anything long distance or taking xmas gifts back to Argos. If it’s good enough for our shopping habits then surely its just as good for the other important decision we make
Actually quite a good idea. And would also mean we have to start recording who voted for who. A website showing everyone's voting record so you can look up your friends, family and employees to see if you really want to be associated with them.

FiF

44,225 posts

252 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Well here's an unpopular opinion expressed by Matt Goodwin with which I agree. Comments by me in ()

Whatever happens tomorrow Boris Johnson has had a good campaign.
(Pause for incoming invective from usual suspects and the latest crop of unpleasant accounts)

continues:-

He's led his party back to 43% by cannibalising the Brexit Party & consolidating the Leave vote, which he & Cummings set out to do. He also held 18% of Remainers along the way

Under Johnson, the Conservatives have led in every single poll since MPs voted to hold the election back in October. Theresa May did not do this in 2017. Nor Cameron in 2015. Nor Cameron in 2010. The last person who managed this was Blair in 2005.

The polls might all be wrong but given the context of this election the Conservative Party's dominance is still striking. Of the 65 polls during the campaign they have held double digit leads in 43 of them.

Meanwhile, an opposition Labour Party has not come within 6 points of an incumbent party that has been in office for nearly a decade
-against a backdrop of austerity, an economic squeeze, a divisive Brexit debate, housing crisis & sharp increase in salience of climate change

At the start of the campaign...

Only 55% of 2017 conservatives were still loyal to the party
That is now 85%

34% had defected to Nigel Farage
That has been squeezed to 4%

And only 34% of Leavers were Tory
That is now over 70%

Johnson could still 'lose' of course but there's no doubt his party is far stronger than when he found it. He was never going to win back Remainia at this election but he will have to pivot back if he wins it. Short term dilemma is being met; long term dilemma still to come.


(Well said, heartily endorse this view. Suck on those home truths Labour fan boys. And I still think Nigel Farage has been distinctly unhelpful to the Leave cause, both in the Referendum and since. For sure he has brought focus and succeeded in areas where there was almost no hope, e.g. getting rid of PM May, but at the crunch, hmmmm)


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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techiedave said:
Cooling off period.

It’s easily managed. We have an election. Up to 28 days later a voter can...
Join the masses and storm Parliament biggrin

booboise blueboys

546 posts

60 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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FiF said:
Well here's an unpopular opinion expressed by Matt Goodwin with which I agree. Comments by me in ()

Whatever happens tomorrow Boris Johnson has had a good campaign.
(Pause for incoming invective from usual suspects and the latest crop of unpleasant accounts)

continues:-

He's led his party back to 43% by cannibalising the Brexit Party & consolidating the Leave vote, which he & Cummings set out to do. He also held 18% of Remainers along the way

Under Johnson, the Conservatives have led in every single poll since MPs voted to hold the election back in October. Theresa May did not do this in 2017. Nor Cameron in 2015. Nor Cameron in 2010. The last person who managed this was Blair in 2005.

The polls might all be wrong but given the context of this election the Conservative Party's dominance is still striking. Of the 65 polls during the campaign they have held double digit leads in 43 of them.

Meanwhile, an opposition Labour Party has not come within 6 points of an incumbent party that has been in office for nearly a decade
-against a backdrop of austerity, an economic squeeze, a divisive Brexit debate, housing crisis & sharp increase in salience of climate change

At the start of the campaign...

Only 55% of 2017 conservatives were still loyal to the party
That is now 85%

34% had defected to Nigel Farage
That has been squeezed to 4%

And only 34% of Leavers were Tory
That is now over 70%

Johnson could still 'lose' of course but there's no doubt his party is far stronger than when he found it. He was never going to win back Remainia at this election but he will have to pivot back if he wins it. Short term dilemma is being met; long term dilemma still to come.


(Well said, heartily endorse this view. Suck on those home truths Labour fan boys. And I still think Nigel Farage has been distinctly unhelpful to the Leave cause, both in the Referendum and since. For sure he has brought focus and succeeded in areas where there was almost no hope, e.g. getting rid of PM May, but at the crunch, hmmmm)
What happens in the longer term is interesting. If he fails to get anything more than a 20 seat majority then the Conservative party is going to be wiped out in 2025, if it lasts that long.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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booboise blueboys said:
What happens in the longer term is interesting. If he fails to get anything more than a 20 seat majority then the Conservative party is going to be wiped out in 2025, if it lasts that long.
How do you work that out ?

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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booboise blueboys said:
I'm in an ultra marginal seat. News is emerging that people haven't received their postal votes (no surprise, this Tory council has a track record of messing these things up).

This is not good for the elderly Tory vote here and will help Labour.
what's the seat?

Halb

53,012 posts

184 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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CAPP0 said:
Surely "....unlike the latest bunch of regulars posting under a pseudonym"?
Most likely, there's rather a lot of suspicious (and rude/stupid) 'new/old/troll' accounts. I doubt they'll evaporate post election day though.

booboise blueboys

546 posts

60 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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V6 Pushfit said:
How do you work that out ?
Johnson will find it more and more difficult to get anything through unless the entirety of the Conservative party back it. As we've seen over recent years, that's no easy task. The country will grow impatient with further stagnation and Conservative infighting except this time there it wont be the Remain MPs to blame.

Halb said:
what's the seat?
Chipping Barnet

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Halb said:
booboise blueboys said:
I'm in an ultra marginal seat. News is emerging that people haven't received their postal votes (no surprise, this Tory council has a track record of messing these things up).

This is not good for the elderly Tory vote here and will help Labour.
what's the seat?
Balamory
the post is jackanory

Moving on Over on BBC parliament they are showing part of a Labour Broadcast its very 1982 with a singer called Grace Petrie doing a demented Billy Bragg on speed impression and a bunch of 5 women looking on with a mixture of pain and admiration

booboise blueboys

546 posts

60 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Oh dear oh dear. The gap is now 5%. Johnson's majority is vanishing before our very eyes.

CON: 41% (-)
LAB: 36% (+3)
LDEM: 12% (-)

via
@SavantaComRes
, 09 - 10 Dec
Chgs. w/ 05 Dec

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Halb said:
CAPP0 said:
Surely "....unlike the latest bunch of regulars posting under a pseudonym"?
Most likely, there's rather a lot of suspicious (and rude/stupid) 'new/old/troll' accounts. I doubt they'll evaporate post election day though.
Not according to those who would wish to be moderators
It's discussed in the website feedback thread. I gave up

Tankrizzo

7,295 posts

194 months

Wednesday 11th December 2019
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Halb said:
what's the seat?
The blue plastic one at the preschool lunch table.
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