Election 2019

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Andy20vt said:

Whether you like Bojo or not, this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks

It's not funny, it's full of bullst, disinformation. If it stuck to satire, it would be funny, clever even, but it does not and crosses way over the line.

In that case for balance would you care to elaborate which bits of that video you believe to be bullst?

[Drihump Trolomite]

ChevyChase77 said:

It’s polling day!

Don’t forget to plaster over all forms of social media your voting intentions and your hatred for all others that don’t agree with you

Just in case they give a fk

OOOooohh goody, I cannot wait to log into LinkedIn (I'm blessed to be honoured as a sadomasochist ) to get my blood boiling. Today will be a great day to see who to unfollow if they do not believe in Brexit.

[S100HP]

Feeling very despondent here and questioning if I live in a bubble. I voted to remain and I'm anti-Tory for this reason, despite living in a very safe blue seat (New Forest East) and putting myself slightly right of center. To me, it feels to me like I'm in a similar place to a lot of people yet we're being told that the Conservatives are pretty much a shoo-in. I've really struggled with their lies, their deception, and their rhetoric, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, but it makes me question if I just live in a bubble and that my moral compass is off, or is there a large silent proportion who are just less vocal about their anti-Tory feelings? Or am I just massively out of touch with the rest of the country?

Edited by S100HP on Thursday 12th December 10:06

[uk66fastback]

I don't see how any polling organisation can accurately predict this election with the tactical voting element and the many, many different reasons for people voting the way they will. Their sample just simply isn't big enough in this case ...

[98elise]

768 said:

Someone on Facebook shared this post saying the first and second last sentences were key.

I can only assume they prefer people get their food from McDonalds than food banks.

Its funny how left wingers always go on about rich tax dodgers yet income tax receipts show that a small group of high earners pay a huge amount of tax.

[Mrr T]

Blue62 said:

breamster said:

...also...a poor government will only be able to mess things up for a short fixed term. A poor Brexit will last for decades.

I have tried to fathom what is different about Boris’s deal over May’s and I’m genuinely intrigued why people think he’s played a blinder. He has agreed a customs check in the Irish Sea, a line May wouldn’t cross, otherwise there’s nothing of note that differentiates the two. Happy to be put right, but I can’t see why he has struck a better deal for the UK, from an Irish perspective surely it’s worse?

BJ deal is much better for the EU.

[uk66fastback]

Andy20vt said:

Digga said:

Andy20vt said:

Whether you like Bojo or not, this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks

It's not funny, it's full of bullst, disinformation. If it stuck to satire, it would be funny, clever even, but it does not and crosses way over the line.

In that case for balance would you care to elaborate which bits of that video you believe to be bullst?

It's just puerile from start to finish.

[Halb]

I tink PH is a bubble.

[Brave Fart]

breamster said:

Read my fourth paragraph again. Another referendum is not democratic???

Based on three years of trying to enact Brexit and failing we ask the country again. The last referendum had such a slim majority. A new referendum will either confirm the Brexit has a mandate or it will not. Simple.

As for the economy have you looked at the national debt levels since the torys have been in power? I do think a strong government needs a strong opposition. Unfortunately we have neither which is why this election is the most emotive election that I can recall. We currently have a choice between dumb and dumber which is a poor position to be in.

Sorry, I posted while you were replying to another poster.
My preference would have been for a second referendum, yes. But we have a general election instead, in which the Tories are offering a guaranteed legal exit given majority. That's now the democratic test.

National debt has increased from £1 trillion to around £1.85 trillion under the Tories. That's because Labour left office with a £150 billion p.a. deficit which has taken nine years to turn around - it's structural.

Loony Labour's policies would plunge us back in to crazy levels of deficit and we'd be back to austerity in five years or so. Not least because 4 day weeks, theft of 10% of company shares, pointless nationalisations and so on would trash the economy.

[rscott]

S100HP said:

Feeling very despondent here and questioning if I live in a bubble. I voted to remain and I'm anti Tory for this reason, despite living in a very safe blue seat (New Forest East). To me, it feels to me like I'm in a similar place to a lot of people yet we're being told that the Conservatives are pretty much a shoe-in.

It makes me question if I just live in a bubble, that my moral compass is off, or if there is a large silent proportion who are just less vocal about their anti Tory feelings or are we just out of touch with the rest of the country.

Bear in mind that the political balance of posters in NP&E is skewed off to the right compared to the general population - obvious if you compare any of the polls in here to opinion polls or even GE/referendum results.

[Uggers]

Voted Conservative via postal vote as working away. But more than likely a wasted vote in Scotland and it certainly took some thinking about.

I am just thoroughly sick to death of politics. I just want something (anything) to happen.

Revoke or go hard Brexit I don't care.

Labour or Conservatives I don't really care, they're all a very very bad lot.

But for the love of fk do something other than put all your energy into arguing and going nowhere. Which is why the last thing we need is another hung parliament (which in reality it has been since the last election) and a repeat of the last few years.

Also anyone voting for any party on the promise of 'free stuff' or more 'investment in our services' is a prize fking plum.

Everyone pays and in the end everyone will suffer when the endless amount of money we think we have runs out. The ones that need it will suffer the most.
Everyone wants more money spending on stuff, and everyone seems quite happy paying out the increasing billions servicing the debt it creates.

It seems people only learn the hard way and if it takes a lurch to the left and a massive financial hangover as a result, then so be it.

[Tyre Smoke]

S100HP said:

Feeling very despondent here and questioning if I live in a bubble. I voted to remain and I'm anti Tory for this reason, despite living in a very safe blue seat (New Forest East). To me, it feels to me like I'm in a similar place to a lot of people yet we're being told that the Conservatives are pretty much a shoe-in.

It makes me question if I just live in a bubble, that my moral compass is off, or if there is a large silent proportion who are just less vocal about their anti Tory feelings or are we just out of touch with the rest of the country.

Are you solely anti Tory because of your anti Brexit position? I know this has been showcased as a Brexit election, but ultimately there are many other issues which have been over shadowed by Brexit.

[S100HP]

rscott said:

S100HP said:

Feeling very despondent here and questioning if I live in a bubble. I voted to remain and I'm anti Tory for this reason, despite living in a very safe blue seat (New Forest East). To me, it feels to me like I'm in a similar place to a lot of people yet we're being told that the Conservatives are pretty much a shoe-in.

It makes me question if I just live in a bubble, that my moral compass is off, or if there is a large silent proportion who are just less vocal about their anti Tory feelings or are we just out of touch with the rest of the country.

Bear in mind that the political balance of posters in NP&E is skewed off to the right compared to the general population - obvious if you compare any of the polls in here to opinion polls or even GE/referendum results.

Apologies, I've edited my original post. My comments were more aimed in general than PH specific.

[Halb]

Still the best election specials
Spitting Image Election Special 87
tv heaven
https://youtu.be/_iAzIkjO3G0
Spitting Image Election Special 1992
TJS Sports
https://youtu.be/UeoMef43tjM

and this wonderful send off

Spitting Image 1987 Election Special. Tomorrow belongs to me
tribble97
https://youtu.be/ReIAna459sg

[anonymous-user]

S100HP said:

Feeling very despondent here and questioning if I live in a bubble. I voted to remain and I'm anti Tory for this reason, despite living in a very safe blue seat (New Forest East). To me, it feels to me like I'm in a similar place to a lot of people yet we're being told that the Conservatives are pretty much a shoe-in.

It makes me question if I just live in a bubble, that my moral compass is off, or if there is a large silent proportion who are just less vocal about their anti Tory feelings or are we just out of touch with the rest of the country.

It's similar to the Trump campaign in America. One of the main reasons Trump got into office (apart from the lies and successful manipulation of the media and/or Russian influence), was the sheer lack of credible leadership from the Democrats side.

If the sadly deceased John Smith or David Miliband was leading Labour then the Tories would have been slung out a long time ago. I voted Tory at 2015 election but I won't be doing that again. Similarly Labour are a total shower of st right now. Will be voting Lib Dems this time because of their pro-EU stance but I still think they could have done better with another leader.

[anonymous-user]

uk66fastback said:

Andy20vt said:

Digga said:

Andy20vt said:

Whether you like Bojo or not, this is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI87PRgIKks

It's not funny, it's full of bullst, disinformation. If it stuck to satire, it would be funny, clever even, but it does not and crosses way over the line.

In that case for balance would you care to elaborate which bits of that video you believe to be bullst?

It's just puerile from start to finish.

That's your opinion on the video which is purely subjective but can you actually give me an objective reason for your dislike?

[uk66fastback]

It's a waste of time looking at it. And I have looked at it. There's probably a Corbyn one out there more or less the same. Is this the level of political debate now? Looking at childish videos of the PM - whoever that is. Strewth.

[85Carrera]

breamster said:

Jinx said:

Read my fourth paragraph again. Another referendum is not democratic???

Based on three years of trying to enact Brexit and failing we ask the country again. The last referendum had such a slim majority. A new referendum will either confirm the Brexit has a mandate or it will not. Simple.

We’ve had a referendum which delivered a mandate and which every political party agreed to respect the result of.

What will a second referendum achieve? If you don’t like the result, you’ll go for best of 5; if you do, then it’s 1-1 and a third, confirmatory referendum will be needed to give a clear result. Meanwhile, the can keeps getting kicked down the road.

The EU had an opportunity to take our concerns on board and reform prior to the referendum but was too arrogant to do so. Despite the Project Fear nonsense that you still seem to believe, the sky has not, and will not fall in when we leave the EU.

[bazza white]

Will be voting lib dems later. No chance of unseating the labour mp here but at least I'll have a right to moan for the next 5 years.

[anonymous-user]

85Carrera said:

We’ve had a referendum which delivered a mandate and which every political party agreed to respect the result of.

What will a second referendum achieve? If you don’t like the result, you’ll go for best of 5; if you do, then it’s 1-1 and a third, confirmatory referendum will be needed to give a clear result. Meanwhile, the can keeps getting kicked down the road.

The EU had an opportunity to take our concerns on board and reform prior to the referendum but was too arrogant to do so. Despite the Project Fear nonsense that you still seem to believe, the sky has not, and will not fall in when we leave the EU.

The referendum result was a very slim victory for Leave. This gives a mandate only for a very soft Brexit (Norway type deal). It does not give a mandate for the current hard Brexit being pedaled by the Tories.

Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 12th December 10:23