Election 2019

[motco]

chrispmartha said:

motco said:

Andy20vt said:

Frank7 said:

Haha nice, except I think you find that a large proportion of Conservative voters are retired.

Out of all my friends the ones doing well for themselves, running successful businesses, the lawyers, the doctors, the highly educated, the most read and informed etc. are all, without exception voting for Pro-EU parties.

Those people I know that are not doing so well, (the less open minded you could argue), the ones who haven't traveled extensively (and by travel I don't mean a cheap week getting pissed in the Costa del Sol), and the pensioners, who are scared about a lot of stuff, are the ones tending to vote for parties with a Brexity message.

Similarly those idiots who complain about foreigners taking their jobs are tending to vote for Brexity parties this time around. In the past they'd have probably voted Labour, but such is the PR machine success of the Tory party that they have now convinced Turkeys to vote for Christmas. If you're worried about a foreigner taking your job then it's not the EU's fault - it's probably just that you're st at your job.

It's always nice to read a well thought through, even handed and objective post that doesn't make nasty generalisations. Shame that's not one of them.

And Frank 7s post that he replied to didn't make any generalisations at all did it, no comment on that?

Irreverent, certainly. Actually I doubt that Frank7 originated it, it was simply a cut'n'paste. The post to which I refer came from the bitterness that some left wingers seem to harbour for alternative views to theirs.

[CAPP0]

I know the general lean here on PH is rightwards but bloody hell, the stuff the lefties are posting on SM today is, I some cases, utterly jaw-dropping. There's a desperation. Unless I'm blinkered I'm not seeing the opposite from the rightwingers. Wonder why that is?

And passionate screams for tactical voting to take place too. Er, if you're that vociferous then have some principles, and stick to them?

[hutchst]

Digga said:

Yes but be fair, C Class Merc has retired gammon writ right the way through it. By us, they nearly all drive some sort of Merc at any rate. I think there's some sort of OAP-PCP special deal.

Probably just taking advantage of the cheap prices because of the tariff-free imports from outside the EU.

[Earthdweller]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Nickgnome said:

Nail, head.

Spot on.

Except it isn't. In my sphere, which involves a lot of well-traveled professional people working for a variety of small, medium and large corporations - the conservative vote is where they are heading.

Only stupid people will vote for Corbyn and his band of nutters. The gullible who fall for the bullst if you like.

Exactly.

I have quite a few family members and friends in business, who either work in senior roles in Multinationals or own their own businesses

One has global businesses and is a very wealthy man

They are all pro conservative and feel
Corbyn will be a disaster

With regard to Brexit most think it will potentially be very good for the UK.

These are people that make the wheel turn .. employ people in very well paid jobs and pay huge amounts of tax both personally and through their businesseses

My wife, a remainer, who works for an EU based multi national has voted conservative and just wants Brexit done, she wants stability and Brexit done

My view, from people I know is very different from Andy or Nick’s view

Not one of them is voting Labour

[Tuna]

It's quite astonishing that when presented with evidence that the future Home Secretary cannot even metaphorically tie her own shoelaces, we first got claims of 'fake news', and now outright denial.

Shouldn't that be something that worries you? I'd be seriously questioning my beliefs if one of the highest profile, leading candidates for my party not only struggles with a basic task, but then goes on to lie about it and cover it up.

[king arthur]

Teppic said:

A small majority could be whittled away in no time. In 1992 John Major had a majority of 21, and that was wiped out through various by-elections before the 1997 election.

I remember the exit polls for that election saying it was too close to call.

[Keoparakolo]

djohnson said:

I also wouldn’t be so sure about a deal with another party not being possible. There won’t be a coalition. However Boris could do a deal with the LDs to pass a queens speech which promises a Brexit referendum in which Boris will campaign for leave. The logic would be if Labour did a deal then there would be a referendum anyway and hence it’s a choice between a referendum plus a Marxist government or a referendum. Remember also depending on how the numbers stack up the LDs may only need to abstain from the vote for a queens speech to be passed, ie they may not need to positively support it. The DUP will not want SF sitting further up the table from them as Corbyn’s mates if he were to find a way to get in and whilst the Irish Sea thingy looks like an issue they’d scratch their heads hard to find a way through it.

Sinn Fein don’t take their seats or participate in any part of UK democracy and never will, no matter who is PM.

[kev1974]

WinstonWolf said:

What a shambles. Round my way the local shambles all have yellow coats. They must be pissed off as yellow coats are surely harder to find in the shops? Bloke at the back obviously didn't get the dress code memo, I'm also confused as to where his legs are.

[Terminator X]

dimots said:

I voted. Labour. Fingers crossed.

TX.

[S1KRR]

kuro68k said:

Why take people on when the economy is about to tank? Remember that Boris' deal is worse than May's deal, it's that bad. Plus we have at least another year, more likely 5 years of brexit uncertainty if the Tories get him.

Madness.

You'll have missed the FTSE rising a few days ago when they believed a Tory majority was imminent.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they'll be a run on the banks if Corbyn wins tonight. But....

[Digga]

CAPP0 said:

I know the general lean here on PH is rightwards but bloody hell, the stuff the lefties are posting on SM today is, I some cases, utterly jaw-dropping. There's a desperation. Unless I'm blinkered I'm not seeing the opposite from the rightwingers. Wonder why that is?

And passionate screams for tactical voting to take place too. Er, if you're that vociferous then have some principles, and stick to them?

I have a few friends and relatives whom I suspect are "in the loop" WRT Momentum. At least one is old enough and intelligent enough (I'd have thought) to see through a lot of the nonsense and also to have seen the 3 day week and IMF debacle, but then he is from Manchester, and they and Leeds have swallowed the little red book whole it would seem.

I have two few mates (both ex-forces) who have shared some uncomplimentary stuff about Corbyn, nut not many others doing likewise, whereas the shrill, rap rap rap, of the Momentum puppets is hard to miss.

[crankedup]

Andy20vt said:

Frank7 said:

Haha nice, except I think you find that a large proportion of Conservative voters are retired.

Out of all my friends the ones doing well for themselves, running successful businesses, the lawyers, the doctors, the highly educated, the most read and informed etc. are all, without exception voting for Pro-EU parties.

Those people I know that are not doing so well, (the less open minded you could argue), the ones who haven't traveled extensively (and by travel I don't mean a cheap week getting pissed in the Costa del Sol), and the pensioners, who are scared about a lot of stuff, are the ones tending to vote for parties with a Brexity message.

Similarly those idiots who complain about foreigners taking their jobs are tending to vote for Brexity parties this time around. In the past they'd have probably voted Labour, but such is the PR machine success of the Tory party that they have now convinced Turkeys to vote for Christmas. If you're worried about a foreigner taking your job then it's not the EU's fault - it's probably just that you're st at your job.

Your personality simply shines through.

[don'tbesilly]

kev1974 said:

WinstonWolf said:

What a shambles. Round my way the local shambles all have yellow coats. They must be pissed off as yellow coats are surely harder to find in the shops? Bloke at the back obviously didn't get the dress code memo, I'm also confused as to where his legs are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-DHqFikHoA

[confused_buyer]

Well, after several hours telling, delivering, knocking up and generally talking to people in Essex the Tory voters seem to be turning out big time. That doesn't mean they will win but vote certainly doesn't seem down on 2017 and if anything up.

Libs who reckoned they should be in with a chance initially in total disarray and generally totally given up. Not even delivering. Labour have lots of activists about but seem to be canvassing in strong Tory areas where according to our records everyone has already voted. Don't know if this is deliberate or they just don't have much of a plan.

As ever YMMV depending on where in the country you are.

[turbobloke]

crankedup said:

Andy20vt said:

Frank7 said:

Haha nice, except I think you find that a large proportion of Conservative voters are retired.

Out of all my friends the ones doing well for themselves, running successful businesses, the lawyers, the doctors, the highly educated, the most read and informed etc. are all, without exception voting for Pro-EU parties.

Those people I know that are not doing so well, (the less open minded you could argue), the ones who haven't traveled extensively (and by travel I don't mean a cheap week getting pissed in the Costa del Sol), and the pensioners, who are scared about a lot of stuff, are the ones tending to vote for parties with a Brexity message.

Similarly those idiots who complain about foreigners taking their jobs are tending to vote for Brexity parties this time around. In the past they'd have probably voted Labour, but such is the PR machine success of the Tory party that they have now convinced Turkeys to vote for Christmas. If you're worried about a foreigner taking your job then it's not the EU's fault - it's probably just that you're st at your job.

Your personality simply shines through.

And so many clichés in one post too.

[WCZ]

djohnson said:

I also wouldn’t be so sure about a deal with another party not being possible. There won’t be a coalition. However Boris could do a deal with the LDs to pass a queens speech which promises a Brexit referendum in which Boris will campaign for leave. The logic would be if Labour did a deal then there would be a referendum anyway and hence it’s a choice between a referendum plus a Marxist government or a referendum. Remember also depending on how the numbers stack up the LDs may only need to abstain from the vote for a queens speech to be passed, ie they may not need to positively support it. The DUP will not want SF sitting further up the table from them as Corbyn’s mates if he were to find a way to get in and whilst the Irish Sea thingy looks like an issue they’d scratch their heads hard to find a way through it.

this would be absolutely perfect for me and is why i'm voting dems.

[Oakey]

Terminator X said:

dimots said:

I voted. Labour. Fingers crossed.

snip

TX.

dimots voted Labour, the guy who's money is all tied up in bitcoin so he can avoid any scrutiny from the government. You couldn't make it up

[AJL308]

S1KRR said:

kuro68k said:

Why take people on when the economy is about to tank? Remember that Boris' deal is worse than May's deal, it's that bad. Plus we have at least another year, more likely 5 years of brexit uncertainty if the Tories get him.

Madness.

You'll have missed the FTSE rising a few days ago when they believed a Tory majority was imminent.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they'll be a run on the banks if Corbyn wins tonight. But....

I've said multiple times on the Corbyn thread that billions and billions will leave the UK over night if he wins. It's easy to shift billions from your living room these days so you don't even need to wait for the banks opening tomorrow.

To repeat the figures from the Andrew Neil interview; 0.06% of tax payers (31,000 people) account for 12% of all the income tax paid. They are going to be raped financially under a Labour government. Thirty one thousand people could leave the country in a single morning. So by noon tomorrow 12% of our income tax revenues could have evaporated. That's billions and billions and billions that you, me and everyone else will need to make up.

[98elise]

dimots said:

I voted. Labour. Fingers crossed.

Your runners up badge is in the post.

[king arthur]

confused_buyer said:

Well, after several hours telling, delivering, knocking up and generally talking to people in Essex

You've been knocking people up in Essex?