Election 2019

[djohnson]

Keoparakolo said:

djohnson said:

I also wouldn’t be so sure about a deal with another party not being possible. There won’t be a coalition. However Boris could do a deal with the LDs to pass a queens speech which promises a Brexit referendum in which Boris will campaign for leave. The logic would be if Labour did a deal then there would be a referendum anyway and hence it’s a choice between a referendum plus a Marxist government or a referendum. Remember also depending on how the numbers stack up the LDs may only need to abstain from the vote for a queens speech to be passed, ie they may not need to positively support it. The DUP will not want SF sitting further up the table from them as Corbyn’s mates if he were to find a way to get in and whilst the Irish Sea thingy looks like an issue they’d scratch their heads hard to find a way through it.

Sinn Fein don’t take their seats or participate in any part of UK democracy and never will, no matter who is PM.

I didn’t say they did.

[confused_buyer]

king arthur said:

You've been knocking people up in Essex?

Anything goes in Essex.

[ChevyChase77]

Terminator X said:

dimots said:

I voted. Labour. Fingers crossed.

TX.

LOL.

[soxboy]

In my constituency at the last election it was close between Labour and Conservative, with Labour making up good ground on a long-standing Tory seat. The Tories held it. From the amount Labour activists have been shouting I thought it may still be close, although I've just looked on the Coral oddschecker for the seat and it has Labour 9/2 and Conservative 1/8!

What is frustrating is that the local MP is a smarmy tt of the highest order and the LibDem candidate I know (used to work at my son's school) is a very nice person who would be great for the constituency, but she doesn't stand a chance.

[borcy]

ChocolateFrog said:

borcy said:

ChocolateFrog said:

I think Boris will win more votes than TM would/did.

She was car crash, fields of wheat FFS. Atleast you could go have a beer with BJ and be mildly entertained for half an hour.

Didn't TM win a record amount of votes?

I'd be genuinely surprised if she did.

Apologies it was 4th highest of any party, highest since 1992. I think it was only 500k off the record.
So not too bad but racked up massive majorities in safe seats rather than winning narrow majority seats.

[turbobloke]

confused_buyer said:

king arthur said:

You've been knocking people up in Essex?

Anything goes in Essex.

It's the only way.

[djohnson]

WCZ said:

this would be absolutely perfect for me and is why i'm voting dems.

It’d be perfect for me (other than when you start thinking forward to the next election). However too much risk it doesn’t pan out like that which is why I’ve voted blue.

[85Carrera]

Keoparakolo said:

djohnson said:

I also wouldn’t be so sure about a deal with another party not being possible. There won’t be a coalition. However Boris could do a deal with the LDs to pass a queens speech which promises a Brexit referendum in which Boris will campaign for leave. The logic would be if Labour did a deal then there would be a referendum anyway and hence it’s a choice between a referendum plus a Marxist government or a referendum. Remember also depending on how the numbers stack up the LDs may only need to abstain from the vote for a queens speech to be passed, ie they may not need to positively support it. The DUP will not want SF sitting further up the table from them as Corbyn’s mates if he were to find a way to get in and whilst the Irish Sea thingy looks like an issue they’d scratch their heads hard to find a way through it.

Sinn Fein don’t take their seats or participate in any part of UK democracy and never will, no matter who is PM.

Why wouldn’t they join a coalition with SNP and Labour if it offered referenda on:

EU membership
Scottish independence
Irish reunification

Personally, I think the Republic would st themselves if it was suggested that NI was handed over to them (and Boris should have offered/threatened that when they were kicking up a fuss about the backstop) but it may be enough to get SF to take their seats and put Corbyn and his motley crew in power.

[s2art]

Dr Jekyll said:

One the subject of parliamentary arithmetic. There seems a general assumption that when calculating whether the largest party has a majority you can disregard Sinn Fein seats because they stay out of it. Will that necessarily still apply if Grandpa Semtex is trying to form a government?

Seems Unlikely. Oath/affirmation of allegiance is what they dont like. (I suppose they could cross their fingers, but its not good for their credibility)

[funkyrobot]

Of the people I have spoken to about this today:

1 vote for Conservatives
2 spoilt papers
Lots of people who are utterly fed up with politicians and haven't voted

Looks like our local Conservative MP is still safe.

[kev1974]

I did enjoy Elmo's work this morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrNbhiESBLU

Watch the last two seconds closely

[anonymous-user]

Earthdweller said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

Nickgnome said:

Nail, head.

Spot on.

Except it isn't. In my sphere, which involves a lot of well-traveled professional people working for a variety of small, medium and large corporations - the conservative vote is where they are heading.

Only stupid people will vote for Corbyn and his band of nutters. The gullible who fall for the bullst if you like.

Exactly.

I have quite a few family members and friends in business, who either work in senior roles in Multinationals or own their own businesses

One has global businesses and is a very wealthy man

They are all pro conservative and feel
Corbyn will be a disaster

With regard to Brexit most think it will potentially be very good for the UK.

These are people that make the wheel turn .. employ people in very well paid jobs and pay huge amounts of tax both personally and through their businesseses

My wife, a remainer, who works for an EU based multi national has voted conservative and just wants Brexit done, she wants stability and Brexit done

My view, from people I know is very different from Andy or Nick’s view

Not one of them is voting Labour

I totally agree.

The biggest talking point was the over £80,000 tax hike. It's the one Labour policy which has kept being mentioned on a daily basis.

[Earthdweller]

AJL308 said:

S1KRR said:

kuro68k said:

Why take people on when the economy is about to tank? Remember that Boris' deal is worse than May's deal, it's that bad. Plus we have at least another year, more likely 5 years of brexit uncertainty if the Tories get him.

Madness.

You'll have missed the FTSE rising a few days ago when they believed a Tory majority was imminent.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they'll be a run on the banks if Corbyn wins tonight. But....

I've said multiple times on the Corbyn thread that billions and billions will leave the UK over night if he wins. It's easy to shift billions from your living room these days so you don't even need to wait for the banks opening tomorrow.

To repeat the figures from the Andrew Neil interview; 0.06% of tax payers (31,000 people) account for 12% of all the income tax paid. They are going to be raped financially under a Labour government. Thirty one thousand people could leave the country in a single morning. So by noon tomorrow 12% of our income tax revenues could have evaporated. That's billions and billions and billions that you, me and everyone else will need to make up.

I’m lucky I have accounts abroad... if it looks like Labour are going to get in

My money in my UK accounts will be leaving tonight

I’d suggest I’m not the only one

[Dont like rolls]

kev1974 said:

I did enjoy Elmo's work this morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrNbhiESBLU

Watch the last two seconds closely

LOL

[crankedup]

Earthdweller said:

AJL308 said:

S1KRR said:

kuro68k said:

Why take people on when the economy is about to tank? Remember that Boris' deal is worse than May's deal, it's that bad. Plus we have at least another year, more likely 5 years of brexit uncertainty if the Tories get him.

Madness.

You'll have missed the FTSE rising a few days ago when they believed a Tory majority was imminent.

I wouldn't go so far as to say they'll be a run on the banks if Corbyn wins tonight. But....

I've said multiple times on the Corbyn thread that billions and billions will leave the UK over night if he wins. It's easy to shift billions from your living room these days so you don't even need to wait for the banks opening tomorrow.

To repeat the figures from the Andrew Neil interview; 0.06% of tax payers (31,000 people) account for 12% of all the income tax paid. They are going to be raped financially under a Labour government. Thirty one thousand people could leave the country in a single morning. So by noon tomorrow 12% of our income tax revenues could have evaporated. That's billions and billions and billions that you, me and everyone else will need to make up.

I’m lucky I have accounts abroad... if it looks like Labour are going to get in

My money in my UK accounts will be leaving tonight

I’d suggest I’m not the only one

Form an orderly digital queue, I reckon plenty of people will be having a very late night watching the results coming in, keyboard at the ready.

[Tuna]

Earthdweller said:

I’m lucky I have accounts abroad... if it looks like Labour are going to get in

My money in my UK accounts will be leaving tonight

I’d suggest I’m not the only one

I can move quite a bit abroad if necessary, but annoyingly cash surplus in one of my businesses would be harder to move (I assume). Bricks and mortar are more of a problem though if you really wanted to make sure you were safe.

TBH the devil in me would be amused by a Labour win, just to see the consequences unfold.

[chrispmartha]

motco said:

chrispmartha said:

motco said:

Andy20vt said:

Frank7 said:

Haha nice, except I think you find that a large proportion of Conservative voters are retired.

Out of all my friends the ones doing well for themselves, running successful businesses, the lawyers, the doctors, the highly educated, the most read and informed etc. are all, without exception voting for Pro-EU parties.

Those people I know that are not doing so well, (the less open minded you could argue), the ones who haven't traveled extensively (and by travel I don't mean a cheap week getting pissed in the Costa del Sol), and the pensioners, who are scared about a lot of stuff, are the ones tending to vote for parties with a Brexity message.

Similarly those idiots who complain about foreigners taking their jobs are tending to vote for Brexity parties this time around. In the past they'd have probably voted Labour, but such is the PR machine success of the Tory party that they have now convinced Turkeys to vote for Christmas. If you're worried about a foreigner taking your job then it's not the EU's fault - it's probably just that you're st at your job.

It's always nice to read a well thought through, even handed and objective post that doesn't make nasty generalisations. Shame that's not one of them.

And Frank 7s post that he replied to didn't make any generalisations at all did it, no comment on that?

Irreverent, certainly. Actually I doubt that Frank7 originated it, it was simply a cut'n'paste. The post to which I refer came from the bitterness that some left wingers seem to harbour for alternative views to theirs.

And the bitterness and sneering from the right wing NP&Ers ? That’s fine I suppose?

Both sides, just like in the referendum are as bad as each other, this country has been a massive stshow for quite a while now

[djohnson]

85Carrera said:

Keoparakolo said:

djohnson said:

I also wouldn’t be so sure about a deal with another party not being possible. There won’t be a coalition. However Boris could do a deal with the LDs to pass a queens speech which promises a Brexit referendum in which Boris will campaign for leave. The logic would be if Labour did a deal then there would be a referendum anyway and hence it’s a choice between a referendum plus a Marxist government or a referendum. Remember also depending on how the numbers stack up the LDs may only need to abstain from the vote for a queens speech to be passed, ie they may not need to positively support it. The DUP will not want SF sitting further up the table from them as Corbyn’s mates if he were to find a way to get in and whilst the Irish Sea thingy looks like an issue they’d scratch their heads hard to find a way through it.

Sinn Fein don’t take their seats or participate in any part of UK democracy and never will, no matter who is PM.

Why wouldn’t they join a coalition with SNP and Labour if it offered referenda on:

EU membership
Scottish independence
Irish reunification

Personally, I think the Republic would st themselves if it was suggested that NI was handed over to them (and Boris should have offered/threatened that when they were kicking up a fuss about the backstop) but it may be enough to get SF to take their seats and put Corbyn and his motley crew in power.

I doubt SF would ever formally take their seats. They’d have to swear an oath of allegiance to the Monarch and also they don’t recognise the right of Westminster to govern any part of Ireland. Big hurdles for them to get over.

[Keoparakolo]

crankedup said:

Form an orderly digital queue, I reckon plenty of people will be having a very late night watching the results coming in, keyboard at the ready.

Of course they will. Everyone happens to have a Swiss bank account set up ready and waiting

[chrispmartha]

Keoparakolo said:

crankedup said:

Form an orderly digital queue, I reckon plenty of people will be having a very late night watching the results coming in, keyboard at the ready.

Of course they will. Everyone happens to have a Swiss bank account set up ready and waiting

It’s like a parody site sometimes on here :-)