How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)

How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)

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Otis Criblecoblis

1,078 posts

67 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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eharding said:
Otis Criblecoblis said:
A Winner Is You said:
Phillip Lee won't hold a by election. Wrong sort of people's vote I assume

https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1169172847664...
None of them have. All complete cowards and self serving hypocrites. They are actually even sub Ukip, who did at least face a by-election when switching. How st do you have to be to be sub Ukip ?
You could make the case that someone crossing the house should submit themselves for re-election, but those that have had the whip withdrawn for voting on a matter of personal conscience? None of those who had the whip withdrawn last night have crossed the house, as far as I am aware.
I find the lack of criticism amazing, but then since both sides are like a propaganda war, why would remainers speak up, so long as these MPs are on message ?

Sarah Wollaston and Chuka are perhaps the biggest jokers in this respect, where jumping to a new party lasts a matter of weeks with such brave convictions as politicians.
To be sub Ukip and have some here describe these as ' true Democrats ' is beyond a joke.

crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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psi310398 said:
crankedup said:
The constituency can recall the MP if they believe he/she has acted improperly.
The definition of bad behaviour is quite tightly constrained and (rightly) with a very high bar at the moment but I think it would be quite simple and probably uncontroversial to alter the legislation to make changing party affiliation one of the possible triggers for seeking a recall.
Agreed, if I vote for a Conservative and that MP hops across to an opposing political party I certainly consider that very poor behaviour. Said before, along with others, a by election should be mandatory
in these circumstances

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Remainers just deciding what to do going forward.

What a joke of a HOC's

crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Listen to this one laugh

Stephen Kinnock and a number of other Labour MP's are trying to take back Mrs May's treaty as they regret not voting for it.

Unbelievable.
Bottom feeders muddying the waters.

crankedup

25,764 posts

244 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Garvin said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Project fear in full swing in the HOC.

No medical care

No food

No fuel

No rights

No jobs

No future prospects.

Next, it will be

No air

No tree's

No beer

No socialising.
No beer yikes Nobody voted for no beer.!
:laughing:
Beer is to remain plentiful, my home town brewery will happily increase production that will satisfy the most ardent supper of the finest nectar.
The dreadful stuff we import is not beer imo, it’s a coloured liquid with far to much gas in the recipe wink

Ridgemont

6,589 posts

132 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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crankedup said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Listen to this one laugh

Stephen Kinnock and a number of other Labour MP's are trying to take back Mrs May's treaty as they regret not voting for it.

Unbelievable.
Bottom feeders muddying the waters.
Actually it’s fascinating. What’s Johnson going to do in that scenario? If a significant cohort of labour voters swing behind it, and guarantee enough support to get passage could he re present the WA?
If he doesn’t he could end up voting against the WA despite damning parliament for failing to pass it.
wobble

bazza white

3,562 posts

129 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Ridgemont said:
crankedup said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Listen to this one laugh

Stephen Kinnock and a number of other Labour MP's are trying to take back Mrs May's treaty as they regret not voting for it.

Unbelievable.
Bottom feeders muddying the waters.
Actually it’s fascinating. What’s Johnson going to do in that scenario? If a significant cohort of labour voters swing behind it, and guarantee enough support to get passage could he re present the WA?
If he doesn’t he could end up voting against the WA despite damning parliament for failing to pass it.
wobble
I think it would have been re-presented or at least requested had negotiations failed. The chance of any change to the WA is gone now so were left with no deal or the current WA.

williamp

19,264 posts

274 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
The remainers basically are stating that none of us who voted had an idea of what we were voting for in 2016.

Also, that none of us voted for no deal.

Yet they will not agree to a GE unless no deal is taken off the table.

We know which parties are standing for leaving and for staying. We all know about no deal and the fact that could happen.

So why not just have a GE and allow the public to decide?

Project fear yet again being spouted in the HOC.


I saw this and I voted. So I did vote for a no deal. I did know what I was voting for
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1168913733902639...

Ive just had enough of these bd remainers

Toaster

2,939 posts

194 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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williamp said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
The remainers basically are stating that none of us who voted had an idea of what we were voting for in 2016.

Also, that none of us voted for no deal.

Yet they will not agree to a GE unless no deal is taken off the table.

We know which parties are standing for leaving and for staying. We all know about no deal and the fact that could happen.

So why not just have a GE and allow the public to decide?

Project fear yet again being spouted in the HOC.


I saw this and I voted. So I did vote for a no deal. I did know what I was voting for
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1168913733902639...

Ive just had enough of these bd remainers
Ive had enough of these bd Brexiteers, lets revoke article 50, There really is no benefit in Leaving the EU its all an illusion. Lets have a new referendum.

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Toaster said:
Ive had enough of these bd Brexiteers, lets revoke article 50, There really is no benefit in Leaving the EU its all an illusion. Lets have a new referendum.
Let's have a GE without no deal being taken off the table.

But would you remainer accept the result or complain for another 3 years?


Sf_Manta

2,193 posts

192 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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I look at this thread and the general contempt for people on the remain side makes me wonder how some posts don't violate the conduct rules.

It's always blame the remainers for all the problems, when no-one in the brexit camp can agree what Brexit means and there's one point everyone seems to have missed about the referendum
"Non-Legally binding"

This means the government didn't need to even take this as far as it has gone and could have just done a study to see what the consequences were.
But this is in hindsight.. and now we're all stuck this mess.

Go ahead and call me names and be petty when you should be asking why Johnson and Reece Mogg and akin want out?

Easy, it's for one reason, Tax avoidance.

The EU commission has managed to make companies like Amazon and Google pay their tax bills, and fined them for not paying them in full when they should have done.
We all pay taxes, and everyone benefits, education, infrastructure and healthcare to name but a few, So why would you vote for someone who's only aim is to make more money regardless how they do it and regardless how much damage they do and have done already.

There's a good few investigations which have been published showing Reece Mogg has made £7million out of this mess,( https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jaco... ) and he refused to comment on it.

That's called 'Conflict of interest' and if you did that in any company, you'd be out of a job and even criminal charges laid against you. Perfect example was the Spygate scandal that rocked F1 10 years ago.
There's another report of a investor betting £300 million on no deal occurring: https://inews.co.uk/news/tory-donor-bets-300-milli... .

Basically, the only people who want out are the ones at the top who want to avoid paying the tax they should be and are tossing propaganda to ensure that they get what they want while the general population looses.




Earthdweller

13,591 posts

127 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Is Spam safe or do I need to stock up again?
Spam ?

Not spam !!
https://youtu.be/mBcY3W5WgNU

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Tory revolt grows as Caroline Spelman votes against the government at first reading of Brexit delay bill.

Amazingly she is not being thrown out which IMO will allow other party members to revoke.

citizensm1th

8,371 posts

138 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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More froth than starbucks in here tonight ,it's fecking ace watching the implosion of the tory party

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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citizensm1th said:
More froth than starbucks in here tonight ,it's fecking ace watching the implosion of the tory party
Jim does seem to be turning into something of a human cappuccino as things unfold.

Toaster

2,939 posts

194 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
Let's have a GE without no deal being taken off the table.

But would you remainer accept the result or complain for another 3 years?
The whole mess was flawed from the beginning and highlights the mess the tories has brought about, at the time of the referendum there was a slim majority to leave, you may have clarity and an un wavering belief that leaving will benefit us all. History has shown that we are stronger together, the EU is imperfect it does need reform but that is no reason to leave without a deal. When you start 'othering' when you start saying 'them' its a dangerous road to go down. So stop 'Othering' remainers and just think about alternatives that are possible because a hard Brexit may just bite all of us on the Arse.

Toaster

2,939 posts

194 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Sf_Manta said:
I look at this thread and the general contempt for people on the remain side makes me wonder how some posts don't violate the conduct rules.

It's always blame the remainers for all the problems, when no-one in the brexit camp can agree what Brexit means and there's one point everyone seems to have missed about the referendum
"Non-Legally binding"

This means the government didn't need to even take this as far as it has gone and could have just done a study to see what the consequences were.
But this is in hindsight.. and now we're all stuck this mess.

Go ahead and call me names and be petty when you should be asking why Johnson and Reece Mogg and akin want out?

Easy, it's for one reason, Tax avoidance.

The EU commission has managed to make companies like Amazon and Google pay their tax bills, and fined them for not paying them in full when they should have done.
We all pay taxes, and everyone benefits, education, infrastructure and healthcare to name but a few, So why would you vote for someone who's only aim is to make more money regardless how they do it and regardless how much damage they do and have done already.

There's a good few investigations which have been published showing Reece Mogg has made £7million out of this mess,( https://www.channel4.com/press/news/brexiteer-jaco... ) and he refused to comment on it.

That's called 'Conflict of interest' and if you did that in any company, you'd be out of a job and even criminal charges laid against you. Perfect example was the Spygate scandal that rocked F1 10 years ago.
There's another report of a investor betting £300 million on no deal occurring: https://inews.co.uk/news/tory-donor-bets-300-milli... .

Basically, the only people who want out are the ones at the top who want to avoid paying the tax they should be and are tossing propaganda to ensure that they get what they want while the general population looses.
Good post well written smile

p1stonhead

25,556 posts

168 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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Wtf just happened with that amendment?

bitchstewie

51,322 posts

211 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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May's deal is back? confused

banjowilly

853 posts

59 months

Wednesday 4th September 2019
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p1stonhead said:
Wtf just happened with that amendment?
Shenanigans. No tellers available.
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