How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)
Discussion
Elysium said:
I've been struggling to understand how and why we have found ourselves close to a new deal at the 11th hour.
Parliament will struggle to approve a deal so late in the day, when doing so would allow the PM to ignore the Benn Act:
https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15/the-flaw-in-t...
If the deal was not ratified in time, we would then leave with no-deal.
My conclusion is that this sudden bout of compromise is intended to do two things:
1. Force Parliament to refuse a deal (yet again) adding to the Cummings / Johnson narrative that they are the enemies of Brexit and the people.
2. Force the EU to agree an extension. After all, why would they allow no-deal when we appear to be so close to a solution.
In other words, it is all a sham.
Keep grasping at those remain straws.Parliament will struggle to approve a deal so late in the day, when doing so would allow the PM to ignore the Benn Act:
https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15/the-flaw-in-t...
If the deal was not ratified in time, we would then leave with no-deal.
My conclusion is that this sudden bout of compromise is intended to do two things:
1. Force Parliament to refuse a deal (yet again) adding to the Cummings / Johnson narrative that they are the enemies of Brexit and the people.
2. Force the EU to agree an extension. After all, why would they allow no-deal when we appear to be so close to a solution.
In other words, it is all a sham.
Here's a question that has been running round my head.
Do you think that because the EU know Boris will be forced to send that extension letter, that they can afford to be let's say bullish with these last minute talks rather than focussed?
They seemed very eager to allow this upcoming extension, maybe to continue to bag the billions in contributions, or maybe to show any of the 27 that the process is not easy or straightforward.
I can't help but think the Benn act has hampered things, which I know is the sole purpose of the opposition, but at the detriment of the nation who would appear to want to just get it over and done with one way or another.
Do you think that because the EU know Boris will be forced to send that extension letter, that they can afford to be let's say bullish with these last minute talks rather than focussed?
They seemed very eager to allow this upcoming extension, maybe to continue to bag the billions in contributions, or maybe to show any of the 27 that the process is not easy or straightforward.
I can't help but think the Benn act has hampered things, which I know is the sole purpose of the opposition, but at the detriment of the nation who would appear to want to just get it over and done with one way or another.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
It won’t be sent if he get something agreed today / tomorrow.
Not that simple. Parliament also needs to agree it to avoid the letter.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
Elysium said:
I've been struggling to understand how and why we have found ourselves close to a new deal at the 11th hour.
Parliament will struggle to approve a deal so late in the day, when doing so would allow the PM to ignore the Benn Act:
https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15/the-flaw-in-t...
If the deal was not ratified in time, we would then leave with no-deal.
My conclusion is that this sudden bout of compromise is intended to do two things:
1. Force Parliament to refuse a deal (yet again) adding to the Cummings / Johnson narrative that they are the enemies of Brexit and the people.
2. Force the EU to agree an extension. After all, why would they allow no-deal when we appear to be so close to a solution.
In other words, it is all a sham.
Or, the EU stuck to their guns and the UK had to give in order to get a deal down which both sides want to see happen. Nothing's ideal and the DUP will sign off on keeping NI in the EU Customs Union because it's for the greater good. Parliament will struggle to approve a deal so late in the day, when doing so would allow the PM to ignore the Benn Act:
https://waitingfortax.com/2019/09/15/the-flaw-in-t...
If the deal was not ratified in time, we would then leave with no-deal.
My conclusion is that this sudden bout of compromise is intended to do two things:
1. Force Parliament to refuse a deal (yet again) adding to the Cummings / Johnson narrative that they are the enemies of Brexit and the people.
2. Force the EU to agree an extension. After all, why would they allow no-deal when we appear to be so close to a solution.
In other words, it is all a sham.
Burwood said:
Or, the EU stuck to their guns and the UK had to give in order to get a deal down which both sides want to see happen. Nothing's ideal and the DUP will sign off on keeping NI in the EU Customs Union because it's for the greater good.
Nobody knows the detail yet to be able to say who bent most. Boris will struggle in a GE if it was all him. And he knows it.
Jockman said:
I'm out of the loop here but is Deepend actually slasher (coloquial not derogatory)?
I always assume it's ///ajd as the general style of his posting seems familiar. It has been highlighted before, and he's never come back to dispute it, Of course he could just clear it all up by confirming that he isn't one and the same person.............
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
He's quite a bully really.It’ll be interesting certainly!
If he was employing these people they would no doubt register a complaint against him.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
He's quite a bully really.It’ll be interesting certainly!
If he was employing these people they would no doubt register a complaint against him.
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It's a bit bloody late (and pointless) for that kind of threat, particularly if Labour whip against it. If May had done that earlier in the year it might have worked.
Interesting to see how he can sack the Libdems, greens, labour, DUP, etc....
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
He's quite a bully really.It’ll be interesting certainly!
If he was employing these people they would no doubt register a complaint against him.
Sway said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
He's quite a bully really.It’ll be interesting certainly!
If he was employing these people they would no doubt register a complaint against him.
p1stonhead said:
Which you don’t automatically get sacked for disobeying do you?
Yes, ordinary MPs normally have the whip removed, and members of the government will usually be sacked if they do not have sufficient honour to resign before voting against their colleagues. May was too weak to make her rebels face such consequences but most PMs would have handed the rebels their cards.psi310398 said:
p1stonhead said:
Which you don’t automatically get sacked for disobeying do you?
Yes, ordinary MPs normally have the whip removed, and members of the government will usually be sacked if they do not have sufficient honour to resign before voting against their colleagues. May was too weak to make her rebels face such consequences but most PMs would have handed the rebels their cards.p1stonhead said:
Sway said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
He's quite a bully really.It’ll be interesting certainly!
If he was employing these people they would no doubt register a complaint against him.
Set's Boris up quite nicely for a GE.
Troubleatmill said:
p1stonhead said:
Sway said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
p1stonhead said:
Boris has apparently (just hearing on the radio) said anyone who votes down his deal is sacked.
It’ll be interesting certainly!
He's quite a bully really.It’ll be interesting certainly!
If he was employing these people they would no doubt register a complaint against him.
Set's Boris up quite nicely for a GE.
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