How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)

[don'tbesilly]

Hammond is cast aside dumped by his local Tory Party:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1173854/ph...

[230TE]

Toaster said:

Ive had enough of these bd Brexiteers, lets revoke article 50, There really is no benefit in Leaving the EU its all an illusion. Lets have a new referendum.

Fine with me, as long as it asks exactly the same question as the last one, and all sides promise, Scout's Honour, to abide by the result this time. You OK with that?

[slow_poke]

230TE said:

Toaster said:

Ive had enough of these bd Brexiteers, lets revoke article 50, There really is no benefit in Leaving the EU its all an illusion. Lets have a new referendum.

Fine with me, as long as it asks exactly the same question as the last one, and all sides promise, Scout's Honour, to abide by the result this time. You OK with that?

Sounds fair.

[philv]

Was that it?

The brilliant mind of Cummings etc.

2 lost votes that the government were almost guaranteed to lose.

And calling out Labour for an election which they obviously want to avoid.

Is that it?

Is the master plan to ignore any law that mps/lords pass?

Surely there must be some strategy behind this other than the hopeful hell mary pass so far?

[anonymous-user]

don'tbesilly said:

Hammond is cast aside dumped by his local Tory Party:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1173854/ph...

Fantastic.

[Roboraver]

pgh said:

Why won’t those Brexiteers just conform eh? We could all have a nice sing of Ode To Joy under that lovely blue flag of unity...

Alternatively, we voted for political independence. If voting in the UK is to be worth anything ever again, we must implement the result of the referendum. The only lack of benefit here is in the damage done to our democracy by those who are trying to reverse or minimise the result.

Ha, ha. Still waiting for a solution to the N.I border, anyone ? No one voted for no deal. Once you get it and understand it, we can move on.

[philv]

230TE said:

Toaster said:

Ive had enough of these bd Brexiteers, lets revoke article 50, There really is no benefit in Leaving the EU its all an illusion. Lets have a new referendum.

Fine with me, as long as it asks exactly the same question as the last one, and all sides promise, Scout's Honour, to abide by the result this time. You OK with that?

Why?
The result will not be carried out if it is leave.
The lib dem leader even says she is fine with another referendum, but won't carry it out if it is leave.

Why not just rig the polls a la Putin.
What's the difference?

[Earthdweller]

Blackford just stated the intention is to “Stop Brexit” completely not just a No deal Brexit

[alfie2244]

Earthdweller said:

Blackford just stated the intention is to “Stop Brexit” completely not just a No deal Brexit

"Stop Brexit for good" at least he is being honest.

[philv]

williamp said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

The remainers basically are stating that none of us who voted had an idea of what we were voting for in 2016.

Also, that none of us voted for no deal.

Yet they will not agree to a GE unless no deal is taken off the table.

We know which parties are standing for leaving and for staying. We all know about no deal and the fact that could happen.

So why not just have a GE and allow the public to decide?

Project fear yet again being spouted in the HOC.


I saw this and I voted. So I did vote for a no deal. I did know what I was voting for
https://twitter.com/tomhfh/status/1168913733902639...

Ive just had enough of these bd remainers

Mps could quite easily pass a law saying we should have a referendum to see if no deal is ok.

However they would rather interpret the referendum results to suit themselves, rather than ask the people.

Speaks volumes.

[S1KRR]

Toaster said:

... the EU is imperfect it does need reform but that is no reason to leave...

You REALLY think it will reform? Feel free to give previous examples of the Commission reforming after the citizens let them know their dissatisfaction with something

philv said:

Was that it?

The brilliant mind of Cummings etc.

2 lost votes that the government were almost guaranteed to lose.

And calling out Labour for an election which they obviously want to avoid.

Is that it?

Is the master plan to ignore any law that mps/lords pass?

Surely there must be some strategy behind this other than the hopeful hell mary pass so far?

No, the plan is to increase the Conservative majority first. Then finish off Brexit using that power. Ideally with a FTA in place

Lastly expect Bercow to be removed permanently

alfie2244 said:

Earthdweller said:

Blackford just stated the intention is to “Stop Brexit” completely not just a No deal Brexit

"Stop Brexit for good" at least he is being honest.

Irony is that the UnLib UnDems at least SAY they don't want Brexit. Everyone else still claiming "they want a second referendum" hoping that the proles not notice the subterfuge!

[Earthdweller]

Roboraver said:

pgh said:

Why won’t those Brexiteers just conform eh? We could all have a nice sing of Ode To Joy under that lovely blue flag of unity...

Alternatively, we voted for political independence. If voting in the UK is to be worth anything ever again, we must implement the result of the referendum. The only lack of benefit here is in the damage done to our democracy by those who are trying to reverse or minimise the result.

Ha, ha. Still waiting for a solution to the N.I border, anyone ? No one voted for no deal. Once you get it and understand it, we can move on.

Did you vote in the referendum?

[banjowilly]

pgh said:

Nothing need change at the border. Please outline exactly why you believe changes are required?

Do you lock your front door at night or just leave it open?

[psi310398]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

don'tbesilly said:

Hammond is cast aside dumped by his local Tory Party:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1173854/ph...

Fantastic.

Looks like the local associations are backing the PM, doesn't it?

[gooner1]

alfie2244 said:

Earthdweller said:

Blackford just stated the intention is to “Stop Brexit” completely not just a No deal Brexit

"Stop Brexit for good" at least he is being honest.

He want to stop the UK leaving the EU but is ok with Scotland leaving the UK.
That doesn't sound very honest to me alfie.

[psi310398]

gooner1 said:

He want to stop the UK leaving the EU but is ok with Scotland leaving the UK.
That doesn't sound very honest to me alfie.

TBF, he wants to stop Scotland leaving the EU.

[don'tbesilly]

Geez, some really have been brainwashed and seemingly sing to a political construct


https://twitter.com/EuroGuido/status/1169178889639...

[Helicopter123]

Boris looks totally out of his depth.

We needed a statesman, but found a clown instead.

[FiF]

Robertj21a said:

s2art said:

Robertj21a said:

alfie2244 said:

Will this be the last volume I wonder?

Didn't someone say that on the last volume - or perhaps the one before.....?

We are not quite at the endgame yet, so plenty more to come (I think the clue will be when Boris wields the mighty commons mace and clobbers Thanos)

As long as someone clobbers Bercow (and Soubry) I'll be happy.

Damn, beaten to it.

[Elysium]

Queens Consent not required and the bill now fully through the commons:

https://royalcentral.co.uk/interests/state/breakin...

That means it should be possible to get the bill passed before Parliament is prorogued.

If that happens, the smart move for Corbyn would be to sit tight and let Johnson’s Prorogation happen without doing anything to trigger an election.

That would leave Johnson legally obliged to request an extension as soon as parliament returns.