How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 12)
Discussion
Blue62 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
We have seen, that in both parliament, and the country, there are those who do not respect democracy, and want to ignore the result of a democratic vote.
I am not clear how another referendum will help the situation, because if the vote again goes the way of leave, the same anti democratic individuals will try to over turn that vote as well.
What would be the point in having any further general elections, or referenda, in the UK when those that don't get the result `they' wanted will either just ignore, or overturn the vote result, or worse still, try to gerrymander the vote in the direction they want it to go.
When dealing with anti democratic parties, and individuals, one has to work on the basis, they will use any undemocratic tactic they can, to steer a vote in the direction they want it to go.
Anyone who tries to proceed in an entirely democratic way, will therefore be disadvantaged when competing with those, who see no problem in cheating, or breaking democratic rules to get the result they want.
It could be that the antics of the anti democrats, have reduced the UK to the level of a banana republic, which like other banana republics, has to call in the services of outside observers to over see the conduct of any further (probably pointless) votes held in the UK.
The anti democrats have, and will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, interesting times lay ahead, and they may not be very nice.
The old threat of something 'not very nice' and a sinister note to end another piece of blinding prose, all those Remainers will be quaking in their ditches. I think you should change your name to 'CommaMan'. I am not clear how another referendum will help the situation, because if the vote again goes the way of leave, the same anti democratic individuals will try to over turn that vote as well.
What would be the point in having any further general elections, or referenda, in the UK when those that don't get the result `they' wanted will either just ignore, or overturn the vote result, or worse still, try to gerrymander the vote in the direction they want it to go.
When dealing with anti democratic parties, and individuals, one has to work on the basis, they will use any undemocratic tactic they can, to steer a vote in the direction they want it to go.
Anyone who tries to proceed in an entirely democratic way, will therefore be disadvantaged when competing with those, who see no problem in cheating, or breaking democratic rules to get the result they want.
It could be that the antics of the anti democrats, have reduced the UK to the level of a banana republic, which like other banana republics, has to call in the services of outside observers to over see the conduct of any further (probably pointless) votes held in the UK.
The anti democrats have, and will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, interesting times lay ahead, and they may not be very nice.
if you anti democrats were so unhappy with the result of a democratic vote, just try to imagine how unhappy those who won that democratic vote are going to feel, if it is overturned by those who lost that vote.
But your reply is of course just another example of the biased, double standards, highly selective version of `democracy' used by the anti democratic remainers to get the democratic vote of the people over turned.
As usual It seems remainers are allowed predict all the doom, gloom, and catastrophic woe they can muster, that they say leaving the EU will cause, But when someone points out that their anti democratic actions now, must and will have some consequences that they might not like, they get all sniffy.
Thank you by the way for describing my post as blinding prose, it seems that at least you anti democrats, have at least one tiny spark of decency within you..
stongle said:
SpeckledJim said:
Or at least draft stongle in again for 10 minutes comprehensive gnome-dismantling, so that he goes away for another few days, before forgetting how silly he looked last time and comes back.
I'm reading the bill.....Nickgnome preemptively runs away said:
Anyway it’s a great day out there guys so have fun at work or whatever you are doing.
If you are ‘working’ however PH is unlikely to advance your career opportunities.
I think they call that a Pavlovian reflex. Cool.If you are ‘working’ however PH is unlikely to advance your career opportunities.
stongle said:
SpeckledJim said:
Or at least draft stongle in again for 10 minutes comprehensive gnome-dismantling, so that he goes away for another few days, before forgetting how silly he looked last time and comes back.
I'm reading the bill.....Claiming he's read it, understands it and annotated it; marks him out as a frikkin legal genius (or a bullsh*tter). I reckon an opinion on the draft would be 20-30k form Cliffords / Grant Thornton (or 50 odd if I wanted the Northern Ireland opinion too). He's probably talking cobblers.
Edited by stongle on Tuesday 22 October 10:45
Edited by stongle on Tuesday 22 October 10:46
Pan Pan Pan said:
Blue62 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
We have seen, that in both parliament, and the country, there are those who do not respect democracy, and want to ignore the result of a democratic vote.
I am not clear how another referendum will help the situation, because if the vote again goes the way of leave, the same anti democratic individuals will try to over turn that vote as well.
What would be the point in having any further general elections, or referenda, in the UK when those that don't get the result `they' wanted will either just ignore, or overturn the vote result, or worse still, try to gerrymander the vote in the direction they want it to go.
When dealing with anti democratic parties, and individuals, one has to work on the basis, they will use any undemocratic tactic they can, to steer a vote in the direction they want it to go.
Anyone who tries to proceed in an entirely democratic way, will therefore be disadvantaged when competing with those, who see no problem in cheating, or breaking democratic rules to get the result they want.
It could be that the antics of the anti democrats, have reduced the UK to the level of a banana republic, which like other banana republics, has to call in the services of outside observers to over see the conduct of any further (probably pointless) votes held in the UK.
The anti democrats have, and will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, interesting times lay ahead, and they may not be very nice.
The old threat of something 'not very nice' and a sinister note to end another piece of blinding prose, all those Remainers will be quaking in their ditches. I think you should change your name to 'CommaMan'. I am not clear how another referendum will help the situation, because if the vote again goes the way of leave, the same anti democratic individuals will try to over turn that vote as well.
What would be the point in having any further general elections, or referenda, in the UK when those that don't get the result `they' wanted will either just ignore, or overturn the vote result, or worse still, try to gerrymander the vote in the direction they want it to go.
When dealing with anti democratic parties, and individuals, one has to work on the basis, they will use any undemocratic tactic they can, to steer a vote in the direction they want it to go.
Anyone who tries to proceed in an entirely democratic way, will therefore be disadvantaged when competing with those, who see no problem in cheating, or breaking democratic rules to get the result they want.
It could be that the antics of the anti democrats, have reduced the UK to the level of a banana republic, which like other banana republics, has to call in the services of outside observers to over see the conduct of any further (probably pointless) votes held in the UK.
The anti democrats have, and will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, interesting times lay ahead, and they may not be very nice.
if you anti democrats were so unhappy with the result of a democratic vote, just try to imagine how unhappy those who won that democratic vote are going to feel, if it is overturned by those who lost that vote.
But your reply is of course just another example of the biased, double standards, highly selective version of `democracy' used by the anti democratic remainers to get the democratic vote of the people over turned.
As usual It seems remainers are allowed predict all the doom, gloom, and catastrophic woe they can muster, that they say leaving the EU will cause, But when someone points out that their anti democratic actions now, must and will have some consequences that they might not like, they get all sniffy.
Thank you by the way for describing my post as blinding prose, it seems that at least you anti democrats, have at least one tiny spark of decency within you..
SpeckledJim said:
stongle said:
SpeckledJim said:
Or at least draft stongle in again for 10 minutes comprehensive gnome-dismantling, so that he goes away for another few days, before forgetting how silly he looked last time and comes back.
I'm reading the bill.....Nickgnome preemptively runs away said:
Anyway it’s a great day out there guys so have fun at work or whatever you are doing.
If you are ‘working’ however PH is unlikely to advance your career opportunities.
I think they call that a Pavlovian reflex. Cool.If you are ‘working’ however PH is unlikely to advance your career opportunities.
at that. Thanks.Pastor Of Muppets said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Blue62 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
We have seen, that in both parliament, and the country, there are those who do not respect democracy, and want to ignore the result of a democratic vote.
I am not clear how another referendum will help the situation, because if the vote again goes the way of leave, the same anti democratic individuals will try to over turn that vote as well.
What would be the point in having any further general elections, or referenda, in the UK when those that don't get the result `they' wanted will either just ignore, or overturn the vote result, or worse still, try to gerrymander the vote in the direction they want it to go.
When dealing with anti democratic parties, and individuals, one has to work on the basis, they will use any undemocratic tactic they can, to steer a vote in the direction they want it to go.
Anyone who tries to proceed in an entirely democratic way, will therefore be disadvantaged when competing with those, who see no problem in cheating, or breaking democratic rules to get the result they want.
It could be that the antics of the anti democrats, have reduced the UK to the level of a banana republic, which like other banana republics, has to call in the services of outside observers to over see the conduct of any further (probably pointless) votes held in the UK.
The anti democrats have, and will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, interesting times lay ahead, and they may not be very nice.
The old threat of something 'not very nice' and a sinister note to end another piece of blinding prose, all those Remainers will be quaking in their ditches. I think you should change your name to 'CommaMan'. I am not clear how another referendum will help the situation, because if the vote again goes the way of leave, the same anti democratic individuals will try to over turn that vote as well.
What would be the point in having any further general elections, or referenda, in the UK when those that don't get the result `they' wanted will either just ignore, or overturn the vote result, or worse still, try to gerrymander the vote in the direction they want it to go.
When dealing with anti democratic parties, and individuals, one has to work on the basis, they will use any undemocratic tactic they can, to steer a vote in the direction they want it to go.
Anyone who tries to proceed in an entirely democratic way, will therefore be disadvantaged when competing with those, who see no problem in cheating, or breaking democratic rules to get the result they want.
It could be that the antics of the anti democrats, have reduced the UK to the level of a banana republic, which like other banana republics, has to call in the services of outside observers to over see the conduct of any further (probably pointless) votes held in the UK.
The anti democrats have, and will have a lot to answer for in the coming years, interesting times lay ahead, and they may not be very nice.
if you anti democrats were so unhappy with the result of a democratic vote, just try to imagine how unhappy those who won that democratic vote are going to feel, if it is overturned by those who lost that vote.
But your reply is of course just another example of the biased, double standards, highly selective version of `democracy' used by the anti democratic remainers to get the democratic vote of the people over turned.
As usual It seems remainers are allowed predict all the doom, gloom, and catastrophic woe they can muster, that they say leaving the EU will cause, But when someone points out that their anti democratic actions now, must and will have some consequences that they might not like, they get all sniffy.
Thank you by the way for describing my post as blinding prose, it seems that at least you anti democrats, have at least one tiny spark of decency within you..
Former SAS RSM comments on Sir Bernard Jenkin's speech:
James Deegan MC said:
I have been in countries where people risk their lives to vote, I have been in countries where they have fought to over throw dictators. I am disgusted that our votes mean nothing. I suspect there will be a day of reckoning.
https://twitter.com/jamesdeeganMC/status/1186325566770814983JagLover said:
Mrr T said:
So forget the Labour Party who will just try to block it, it still needed careful consideration with BJ still suggesting no deal is possible at the end of the TP.
You above all are well aware of the proper meaning of the term "no deal" as you spent months telling us that, among other things, flights with Europe would stop if we left on a "no deal" basis."No deal" means leaving without an agreed WA, it does not mean reverting to trading on WTO terms at the end of a transition period.
Amazingly how quickly Remainers, and their media mouthpieces, started changing the terminology the instant a WA was agreed.
Mrr T said:
The WA will be one of the most complex pieces of legislation the HOC has ever considered. Its not just about the detail of the WA but about who controls the decisions during the TP.
So forget the Labour Party who will just try to block it, it still needed careful consideration with BJ still suggesting no deal is possible at the end of the TP.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/new...
Leaving by 31 Oct is now impossible unless the EU refuse an extension.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1...
Quite so. To equate the Benn act or the Letwin amendment to the proposed legislation for the WA shows a lack of understanding of the nuts and bolts of the legislative processSo forget the Labour Party who will just try to block it, it still needed careful consideration with BJ still suggesting no deal is possible at the end of the TP.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/new...
Leaving by 31 Oct is now impossible unless the EU refuse an extension.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JenniferMerode/status/1...
jsf said:
Its all new to them.
What they have received is the UK legislation bill that implements the WA, something that hasn't been released until last night. They are not scrutinising the WA treaty itself, this is the legal stuff that usually comes after the WA treaty is passed.
So what we have here is an arse about face situation, where instead of them writing and if necessary amending the WA bill to make sure UK law matches the new treaty, they are looking at ways to change the content of the treaty itself, before it is then passed.
This is a massive change in how government works, and will most likely lead to the government pulling the vote on the WA itself, if the opposition manage to get their wrecking amendments into this bill.
The arse-about-facedness being a result of their voting for Letwin, n'est-ce pas? So entirely self-inflicted.What they have received is the UK legislation bill that implements the WA, something that hasn't been released until last night. They are not scrutinising the WA treaty itself, this is the legal stuff that usually comes after the WA treaty is passed.
So what we have here is an arse about face situation, where instead of them writing and if necessary amending the WA bill to make sure UK law matches the new treaty, they are looking at ways to change the content of the treaty itself, before it is then passed.
This is a massive change in how government works, and will most likely lead to the government pulling the vote on the WA itself, if the opposition manage to get their wrecking amendments into this bill.
Pan Pan Pan said:
If you think the bleatings and microscopic protests so far, of the anti democrats we have had to put up with to date are of any consequence, as the saying goes You ain't seen nothing yet!
Oh not this again. I voted leave, I think MPs have mishandled this so badly they all need replacing. There needs to be a mass clear out, but I'm not holding my breath.
Stand by for Brexit to be effectively cancelled & 'normal service' to resume. I guess there'll be the odd march involving a few thousand people, but mass social unrest 'you ain't seen nothing yet'??? No chance!
Like many 'leavers', I think that all this exercise has achieved, is to confirm that our system is very far from democratic & that there is little point voting for anything....
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