Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)
Discussion
TheRealNoNeedy said:
psi310398 said:
Interesting - is this where the resident pearl clutchers huff and puff and come over all sanctimonious because, of course, everybody is entitled to equal protection from the law and it is outrageous that someone's private correspondence has been hacked or are double standards only deplorable when exhibited by opponents
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It appears that way, those enjoying this because they don't share his view on the EU need to give their heads a wobble? Breadvan72 said:
If (I say if) any of the stuff reveals wrongdoing (please note again that I said if), then there is no breach of confidence or privacy, because, to use an old fashioned way of putting the point, “there is no confidence in iniquity”. If there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then even alleged bad guys have the right to privacy about stuff that is private.
On your first point, sure, presumably so long as the wrongdoing is illegality rather than simply something some people disagree with, such as referring to northern monkeys. But regardless of whether Banks has done something naughty or not, someone has broken the law in hacking the account? Otherwise, aren't we at a point where we are happy accepting that the ends justify the means, and then surely we'd also be happy with the rozzers not troubling themselves with obtaining warrants so long as they bag a wrong 'un?
TheRealNoNeedy said:
psi310398 said:
Interesting - is this where the resident pearl clutchers huff and puff and come over all sanctimonious because, of course, everybody is entitled to equal protection from the law and it is outrageous that someone's private correspondence has been hacked or are double standards only deplorable when exhibited by opponents?
It appears that way, those enjoying this because they don't share his view on the EU need to give their heads a wobble? smn159 said:
TheRealNoNeedy said:
psi310398 said:
Interesting - is this where the resident pearl clutchers huff and puff and come over all sanctimonious because, of course, everybody is entitled to equal protection from the law and it is outrageous that someone's private correspondence has been hacked or are double standards only deplorable when exhibited by opponents?
It appears that way, those enjoying this because they don't share his view on the EU need to give their heads a wobble? 
psi310398 said:
Breadvan72 said:
If (I say if) any of the stuff reveals wrongdoing (please note again that I said if), then there is no breach of confidence or privacy, because, to use an old fashioned way of putting the point, “there is no confidence in iniquity”. If there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then even alleged bad guys have the right to privacy about stuff that is private.
On your first point, sure, presumably so long as the wrongdoing is illegality rather than simply something some people disagree with, such as referring to northern monkeys. But regardless of whether Banks has done something naughty or not, someone has broken the law in hacking the account? Otherwise, aren't we at a point where we are happy accepting that the ends justify the means, and then surely we'd also be happy with the rozzers not troubling themselves with obtaining warrants so long as they bag a wrong 'un?
Don't understand it myself but the info is here...
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/11/19/arron_ban...
I await remainers rushing to disassociate themselves from OFOC and by extension from remaining as they suggest we do from TBP and Brexit.
Blue62 said:
catweasle said:
remain campaign?
Sometimes it’s hard to know whether or what to respond. None of this matters in the grand scheme of things and so we will agree that Banks funded the remain campaign and was fined for data breaches, the very thing he is now at the sharp end of. Blue62 said:
Coming back to facts, Banks and the leave campaign were found guilty of data breaches and fined £120k, someone call the Karma Police.
There is a certain irony to the fact that Banks was done for stealing the personal details of 300,000 people and bombarding them with "vote leave Nigel noise", all illegally and he was hit with a hefty fine. Doesn't make the theft of his twitter DMs acceptable. But we might learn some new insights into his character.
psi310398 said:
Breadvan72 said:
If (I say if) any of the stuff reveals wrongdoing (please note again that I said if), then there is no breach of confidence or privacy, because, to use an old fashioned way of putting the point, “there is no confidence in iniquity”. If there is no evidence of wrongdoing, then even alleged bad guys have the right to privacy about stuff that is private.
On your first point, sure, presumably so long as the wrongdoing is illegality rather than simply something some people disagree with, such as referring to northern monkeys. But regardless of whether Banks has done something naughty or not, someone has broken the law in hacking the account? Otherwise, aren't we at a point where we are happy accepting that the ends justify the means, and then surely we'd also be happy with the rozzers not troubling themselves with obtaining warrants so long as they bag a wrong 'un?
catweasle said:
i would respond but unfortunately i don't understand the point you are making, co you mean only leave supporters indiscretions matter and not remain?
I’m a bit lost as well. I think the context is Mr Banks and his leave.eu campaign, it would appear that some of his personal data has been hacked. There is a certain irony in all of this but I won’t waste my time or yours. If you want to have another pop at the remain side be my guest, not really concerned with that, though you clearly are. jsf said:
Farage smashed that on BBC1
Nah, he’s full of soundbites with no substance, he knows he’s never going to have to ever implement anything he says so it’s easy just to shout from the sidelines whilst people send him £25sHe is however a far better public speaker than Corbyn or Johnson
I haven't watched it but did I hear correctly that when an audience member asked Farage
“How can you say that you’re standing up for democracy when you yourself are an unelected leader in probably the most undemocratic party in the UK, who is refusing to stand in a constituency?”
Farage apparently answered “we’re a tech startup.”
“How can you say that you’re standing up for democracy when you yourself are an unelected leader in probably the most undemocratic party in the UK, who is refusing to stand in a constituency?”
Farage apparently answered “we’re a tech startup.”
gooner1 said:
jsf said:
Farage smashed that on BBC1
Can't argue with that.Best televised performance of the three.
Sterling performance with every question answered with no dodging whatsoever.
I'd like to see Farage on a 1-1 with any of the others, he'd be far more convincing than any of them.
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