Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)

Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)

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Stigproducts

1,131 posts

219 months

Saturday 21st September
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chrispmartha said:
Troubleatmill said:
Whatever the resolution is, the Brexit Party should abstain.

We are leaving the EU.
And as much as I joke about setting fire alarms off etc etc
We just let the EU get on with it without us.

If we show that we are really keen to vote .... we will never leave.



There is nothing contemptible about it.
If we are leaving - then meddling in their affairs is contemptible.
They will have to deal with the decisions made.
We should not be voting in those decisions.
I’m presuming if they are not going to bother to do the job they were elected to do then they won’t take the salary, expenses and pensions then?
The were elected to cause trouble and make sure we leave. Making some speeches telling them all what a bunch of bell ends they are has been a good start. Voting on things that have nothing to do with Brexit and winding up the other MEPs is out of scope. You think they were voted in to get involved in all matters Iran? I voted TBP and I'm more than happy for them to be paid for their time doing exactly what they are doing. I am not happy for the Lib Dems to get paid for trying to subvert democracy but that's tough on me, because they were voted in by fellow tax payers, for some strange reason.

PRTVR

4,955 posts

169 months

Saturday 21st September
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Stigproducts said:
chrispmartha said:
Troubleatmill said:
Whatever the resolution is, the Brexit Party should abstain.

We are leaving the EU.
And as much as I joke about setting fire alarms off etc etc
We just let the EU get on with it without us.

If we show that we are really keen to vote .... we will never leave.



There is nothing contemptible about it.
If we are leaving - then meddling in their affairs is contemptible.
They will have to deal with the decisions made.
We should not be voting in those decisions.
I’m presuming if they are not going to bother to do the job they were elected to do then they won’t take the salary, expenses and pensions then?
The were elected to cause trouble and make sure we leave. Making some speeches telling them all what a bunch of bell ends they are has been a good start. Voting on things that have nothing to do with Brexit and winding up the other MEPs is out of scope. You think they were voted in to get involved in all matters Iran? I voted TBP and I'm more than happy for them to be paid for their time doing exactly what they are doing. I am not happy for the Lib Dems to get paid for trying to subvert democracy but that's tough on me, because they were voted in by fellow tax payers, for some strange reason.
I have to agree, with a bit of luck they will get fed up with us and want rid of the troublesome British.

bitchstewie

23,239 posts

158 months

Saturday 21st September
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The excuse making is predictable and a bit sad if I'm honest.

She's a British citizen and no Iran won't care.

But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Farage.

I suspect not.

powerstroke

8,686 posts

108 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
The excuse making is predictable and a bit sad if I'm honest.

She's a British citizen and no Iran won't care.

But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Farage.

I suspect not.
At least we can't accuse the EU of cheap political stunts ... so far its cost billions ...!!

768

5,488 posts

44 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Faragethe EU.
The last thing I'd want is their profile raising by an organisation with zero diplomatic or military weight.

This isn't some cheap political point either, it's part of a consistent position and the entire raison d'être of the EU's largest party.

DeepEnd

2,195 posts

14 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
The excuse making is predictable and a bit sad if I'm honest.

She's a British citizen and no Iran won't care.

But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Farage.

I suspect not.
It looks like the thing the BP just can’t stand is the idea of the EU doing something to help the UK.

They wouldn’t want any association with that.

Utter tts the lot of them.

bitchstewie

23,239 posts

158 months

Saturday 21st September
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768 said:
bhstewie said:
But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Faragethe EU.
The last thing I'd want is their profile raising by an organisation with zero diplomatic or military weight.

This isn't some cheap political point either, it's part of a consistent position and the entire raison d'être of the EU's largest party.
If one of your loved ones was rotting in an Iranian jail you wouldn't want to use all reasonable diplomatic means possible to highlight their plight or put pressure on the country holding them?

Simply because you don't agree with the EU as a political body.

It's not something I'd be comfortable saying if it was one of my family in that situation but little surprises me so I'll take your word on it.

Taylor James

788 posts

9 months

Saturday 21st September
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Stigproducts said:
chrispmartha said:
Troubleatmill said:
Whatever the resolution is, the Brexit Party should abstain.

We are leaving the EU.
And as much as I joke about setting fire alarms off etc etc
We just let the EU get on with it without us.

If we show that we are really keen to vote .... we will never leave.



There is nothing contemptible about it.
If we are leaving - then meddling in their affairs is contemptible.
They will have to deal with the decisions made.
We should not be voting in those decisions.
I’m presuming if they are not going to bother to do the job they were elected to do then they won’t take the salary, expenses and pensions then?
The were elected to cause trouble and make sure we leave. Making some speeches telling them all what a bunch of bell ends they are has been a good start. Voting on things that have nothing to do with Brexit and winding up the other MEPs is out of scope. You think they were voted in to get involved in all matters Iran? I voted TBP and I'm more than happy for them to be paid for their time doing exactly what they are doing. I am not happy for the Lib Dems to get paid for trying to subvert democracy but that's tough on me, because they were voted in by fellow tax payers, for some strange reason.
+1

bitchstewie

23,239 posts

158 months

Saturday 21st September
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DeepEnd said:
It looks like the thing the BP just can’t stand is the idea of the EU doing something to help the UK.

They wouldn’t want any association with that.

Utter tts the lot of them.
Honestly it's just a bit weird.

Not even "We don't support the EU but we realise that supporting the rights of British citizens has to come first".

Just excuses all round.

Shameful.

768

5,488 posts

44 months

Saturday 21st September
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I'd want anything clearly more likely to get them released to be done as quietly as possible with the minimum damage to the egos of those holding them. Anything else is at best a risk, see BoJo for exhibit A.

This is highlighting their cases but it isn't pressure.

Stay in Bed Instead

17,720 posts

105 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
Honestly it's just a bit weird.

Not even "We don't support the EU but we realise that supporting the rights of British citizens has to come first".

Just excuses all round.

Shameful.
Since when has Farage cared about the UK or any citizen?

He has only one goal, for the UK to leave the EU. and any collateral damage of that is immaterial to him. His sycophant MEP's are adopting the same approach.

DeepEnd

2,195 posts

14 months

Saturday 21st September
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Since when has Farage cared about the UK or any citizen?

He has only one goal, for the UK to leave the EU. and any collateral damage of that is immaterial to him. His sycophant MEP's are adopting the same approach.
It’s telling that they have all abstained.

Not a decent bone between them. The brexit party is a moral vacuum.

chrispmartha

5,752 posts

77 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
DeepEnd said:
It looks like the thing the BP just can’t stand is the idea of the EU doing something to help the UK.

They wouldn’t want any association with that.

Utter tts the lot of them.
Honestly it's just a bit weird.

Not even "We don't support the EU but we realise that supporting the rights of British citizens has to come first".

Just excuses all round.

Shameful.
What seems to have happened IMO, and it’s not just on here, is that the leave at any cost people seem to think that that’s all that matters and any empathy or anything like that has just been consumed by a weird hatred of anything to do with the EU.



bitchstewie

23,239 posts

158 months

Saturday 21st September
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Since when has Farage cared about the UK or any citizen?

He has only one goal, for the UK to leave the EU. and any collateral damage of that is immaterial to him. His sycophant MEP's are adopting the same approach.
We both know that.

I think this is a bit of a new low even for Farage.

Maybe it's been their position on other similar votes under the toxic for a reason UKIP brand and they weren't as well publicised so who knows.

I'm surprised that we have posters who, were it their family or loved ones, would actively encourage the EU not to vote or show support.

And if the EU did show support they are endorsing UK MEPs abstaining rather than asking that they back a vote in support of a British citizen.

The more I think about that the more baffling that people are excusing it.

Vanden Saab

4,064 posts

22 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
We both know that.

I think this is a bit of a new low even for Farage.

Maybe it's been their position on other similar votes under the toxic for a reason UKIP brand and they weren't as well publicised so who knows.

I'm surprised that we have posters who, were it their family or loved ones, would actively encourage the EU not to vote or show support.

And if the EU did show support they are endorsing UK MEPs abstaining rather than asking that they back a vote in support of a British citizen.

The more I think about that the more baffling that people are excusing it.
Remainer using a British citizen in captivity to advance their anti brexit agenda... Hilarious...

bitchstewie

23,239 posts

158 months

Saturday 21st September
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Vanden Saab said:
Remainer using a British citizen in captivity to advance their anti brexit agenda... Hilarious...
People will have to form their own view on that one.

Keep in mind that we wouldn't even be discussing it were it not for the behaviour of the Brexit Party.

I'd suggest it's not about leave or remain and simply about what behaviour do you expect of MEPs representing the UK.

Down and out

2,030 posts

12 months

Saturday 21st September
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bhstewie said:
The excuse making is predictable and a bit sad if I'm honest.

She's a British citizen and no Iran won't care.

But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Farage.

I suspect not.
If any of my loved ones went to Iran, tough st. It's not hard to work out what countries should be avoided.

Troubleatmill

8,212 posts

107 months

Saturday 21st September
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Can the Brexitly challenged understand that this is just a PR exercise by the EU to help sway public opinion.


Can you see Iran going "Oh...the EU have voted...... right you are then.... "



Edited by Troubleatmill on Saturday 21st September 11:49

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24,889 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st September
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768 said:
bhstewie said:
But ask yourself if it was one of your loved ones if you'd be happy at them being used for a cheap political stunt by Faragethe EU.
The last thing I'd want is their profile raising by an organisation with zero diplomatic or military weight.
I'm not sure why you think the EU has zero polotical weight. For example Iran is fairly desperate to get EU sanctions lifted - this may possibly have helped.

Regardless - to have voted would have literally cost the BP nothing. Abstaining is the sign of a bunch of selfish wkers.

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24,889 posts

144 months

Saturday 21st September
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Down and out said:
If any of my loved ones went to Iran, tough st. It's not hard to work out what countries should be avoided.
Your loved ones may have found living in a dictatorial theocracy quite pleasant compared to the alternative.