Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)
Discussion
0a said:
I am not a Farage fan. But it is lockdown without Democratic scrutiny is totally unacceptable. I’ve donated - it doesn’t look like there’s another way out of this.
You have donated to Farage?May I interest sir in some magic beans? They are guaranteed to cure hair-loss, halitosis and erectile dysfunction.
0a said:
I am not a Farage fan. But it is lockdown without Democratic scrutiny is totally unacceptable. I’ve donated - it doesn’t look like there’s another way out of this.
I'd say exercise some caution before doing so.You start off donating thinking you're funding lockdown and unfortunately at some point something will happen where you may find yourself thinking "hmm I didn't expect my money to be paying for that".
Something to perhaps be aware of which may or may not concern you.
crankedup said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I don't know how to feel about this.
Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
So you agree with what Farage aims for on this situation when it suits your own politics. Populist follower?Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
Thats what people do. They assess what politicians are offering at that time and then decide if they wish to vote/support them or not.
I have voted Conservative plenty of times in the past, but if they unveiled a manifesto that I didn't like, I would vote elsewhere. It's the same thing.
Farage's manifesto has disgusted me in the past, but if he changes to something else, then he will quite possibly attract different voters.
I still have the right to think Nigel Farage is a turd, whilst partially approving of this particular 'policy' of his new party.
We vote for things that suit us. That's the whole point of voting for stuff.
PeteinSQ said:
Isn't this all a bit pointless? Next general election isn't for four years by which time this will all be a horrible memoryand arguing over lockdowns will seem a bit odd. By then we'll be back to arguing about tax, spend and austerity I would have thought.
At the start of all this back in Feb or whenever it was, I thought the Tories had to be safe for four or five years. A few weeks before that, I'd have said they were nailed on for two terms.Now, I wouldn't bet on anything. If they don't get a grip and restore something like normality, and if they let people burn, I think the future is very unpredictable. We're not generally the revolting type but everything has a tipping point. Maybe Farage just wants to be in the starting line up if the poo really hits the fan and this is him getting his kit out of the locker.
Well I suppose one conceivable thing that could trigger an election would be if enough conservative MPs quit the party to either become independent or join up with this new party leading to the government losing its majority.
That's the only way I see things changing.
There won't be a revolution, for one thing the armed forces are all on full pay, and the anti lockdown demos have all been pretty small.
That's the only way I see things changing.
There won't be a revolution, for one thing the armed forces are all on full pay, and the anti lockdown demos have all been pretty small.
PeteinSQ said:
Well I suppose one conceivable thing that could trigger an election would be if enough conservative MPs quit the party to either become independent or join up with this new party leading to the government losing its majority.
That's the only way I see things changing.
There won't be a revolution, for one thing the armed forces are all on full pay, and the anti lockdown demos have all been pretty small.
It's early days. I don't doubt that if the government keep printing and borrowing money and keeping people in their homes and off the streets, this could go on indefinitely. I think the problems start if they can't or won't. Again, a few months ago I would have said they couldn't be so stupid as to let people and businesses burn but now I'm not so sure. Six months has seen pretty unprecedented changes. What will another twelve months bring? The only thing I feel certain of is that there not yet any light at the end of the tunnel. In fact, I'm not sure we've reached the tunnel yet.That's the only way I see things changing.
There won't be a revolution, for one thing the armed forces are all on full pay, and the anti lockdown demos have all been pretty small.
IforB said:
If the "average" person is taken in by Farage, then why is it that he consistently fails in Parliamentary elections?
He is very far from a "breath of fresh air" what he produces is a foetid stench of self-interest and disturbing links to thise fundamentally opposed to our national interests.
He is a useful shill for some deeply unpleasant people.
As for Starmer "watering down Labour" he has done nothing of the sort. He is removing the parts of Labour that made it unelectable. In historical, political terms, he is doing to the far left, what Kinnock did, but these days, the far left is a massively reduced force compared to what it was in the early 80's, so I very much doubt we will have to wait for the next labour leader to take that success and win an election.
The Tories are very much making themselves unelectable, but they could change that if they hoofed Johnson out, however, the idea that Farage offers any kind of alternative is nothing more than a fantasy.
He is toxic to this nation and is in reality little more than a right wing trouble making troll. The Tory party keep falling for it and allowing him to hurt them. That is their weakness. They keep feeding him instead of ignoring him like any sane person should.
Farage is akin to a political dog mess left on the pavement, if you aren't paying attention, you step into it and the stench follows you around for a long time afterwards.
Only thing I disagree with here is getting rid of Boris. Who to replace him with? Rishi is lacking imagination and not up to the task. The lack of leadership is killing the government right now. They need a strategy. Not a 1 week horizon, but 4, 8, 12 weeks etc.He is very far from a "breath of fresh air" what he produces is a foetid stench of self-interest and disturbing links to thise fundamentally opposed to our national interests.
He is a useful shill for some deeply unpleasant people.
As for Starmer "watering down Labour" he has done nothing of the sort. He is removing the parts of Labour that made it unelectable. In historical, political terms, he is doing to the far left, what Kinnock did, but these days, the far left is a massively reduced force compared to what it was in the early 80's, so I very much doubt we will have to wait for the next labour leader to take that success and win an election.
The Tories are very much making themselves unelectable, but they could change that if they hoofed Johnson out, however, the idea that Farage offers any kind of alternative is nothing more than a fantasy.
He is toxic to this nation and is in reality little more than a right wing trouble making troll. The Tory party keep falling for it and allowing him to hurt them. That is their weakness. They keep feeding him instead of ignoring him like any sane person should.
Farage is akin to a political dog mess left on the pavement, if you aren't paying attention, you step into it and the stench follows you around for a long time afterwards.
Leaders have to make s
tty decisions, Boris doesn't seem willing too. The problem is, lack of decisions leaves you with crap policies. The nonsense Rushi has pushed out doesnt do anything other than pour money down a hole. Letting Farage getting a sniff of anything, particularly politics of division is highly counterproductive. He's a festering wound that paradoxically benefits because we are too Liberal too call out a
.Lord Marylebone said:
crankedup said:
Lord Marylebone said:
I don't know how to feel about this.
Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
So you agree with what Farage aims for on this situation when it suits your own politics. Populist follower?Let me make this clear: I hate Nigel Farage.
He's a slippery snake-oil salesmen who will 'cause a situation' then run off while it unfolds in disaster. He's friends with all the wrong sort of people. He's nothing more than a nationalist populist flag blowing in the wind. Whichever way the wind blows, he will blow that way and fan the flames, even if it isn't a good idea, just so he can remain relevant in some way. He really is the worst kind of politician, the sort that will sniff out something bubbling and try to grab it and whip the public up into a frenzy over it, to suit his own ends. He's nothing more than a grubby opportunist.
As others have said, he really is the turd that won't be flushed.
But..
I can't see where lockdowns are getting us. I'm sure they are saving lives, but there simply is no endgame or plan here. I'm watching people have their lives ruined and their business destroyed. Millions of people are going to be unemployed.
I have been saying for the last couple of months or so, as have many people I know, that they should be telling everyone who is at risk to stay home, and paying them to do so. Not paying the rest of us who are fit and healthy. It makes no sense.
So I would still have Farage burned at the stake, but part of me wants the government to be put under some pressure over getting the VAST majority back to normality and concentrating on protecting the vulnerable.
Thats what people do. They assess what politicians are offering at that time and then decide if they wish to vote/support them or not.
I have voted Conservative plenty of times in the past, but if they unveiled a manifesto that I didn't like, I would vote elsewhere. It's the same thing.
Farage's manifesto has disgusted me in the past, but if he changes to something else, then he will quite possibly attract different voters.
I still have the right to think Nigel Farage is a turd, whilst partially approving of this particular 'policy' of his new party.
We vote for things that suit us. That's the whole point of voting for stuff.
I voted Tory and support them throughout as the political party that I want to Govern the Country. Personally I do not bail out from support when the going gets tough, come the next G.E. and that point I may hold different POV politically.
Lotobear said:
crankedup said:
I understand that the proposals are going before Parliament HOC today or tomorrow for debate and vote.
That's all well and good but the OP, and most others, would like to see some democratic scrutinychrispmartha said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
JagLover said:
That's a fair point.
A new party would have been better.
Doesn't the old one have a bank account full of political donations?A new party would have been better.
Lord Marylebone said:
I agree with any politician that changes their position to offer something that I may be interested in.
Thats what people do. They assess what politicians are offering at that time and then decide if they wish to vote/support them or not.
I have voted Conservative plenty of times in the past, but if they unveiled a manifesto that I didn't like, I would vote elsewhere. It's the same thing.
Farage's manifesto has disgusted me in the past, but if he changes to something else, then he will quite possibly attract different voters.
I still have the right to think Nigel Farage is a turd, whilst partially approving of this particular 'policy' of his new party.
We vote for things that suit us. That's the whole point of voting for stuff.
Oh, you are in so much trouble. If you agree with Farage on anything you are agreeing to everything he says, does and the views of anybody he speaks to. It is just not possible to do otherwise apparently. Thats what people do. They assess what politicians are offering at that time and then decide if they wish to vote/support them or not.
I have voted Conservative plenty of times in the past, but if they unveiled a manifesto that I didn't like, I would vote elsewhere. It's the same thing.
Farage's manifesto has disgusted me in the past, but if he changes to something else, then he will quite possibly attract different voters.
I still have the right to think Nigel Farage is a turd, whilst partially approving of this particular 'policy' of his new party.
We vote for things that suit us. That's the whole point of voting for stuff.
El stovey said:
Sure but the next election isn’t until 2024 and by then lockdowns will be a thing of the past or there will be some new kind of economy by then.
I seem to remember predicting this would all be forgotten about by summer. So much for that!Even if they abandoned Covid 19 measures tomorrow the economic damage this has done, and the obvious incompetence of Johnson will haunt him for the rest of his premiership, be that a 4 years or 4 hours. Every bit as much as the ERM fiasco in 1992 still haunted Major in 1997.
He's in a classic hole where he can't see any way out but to keep digging, and the last thing he's going to do is give up his spade. The spade being the powers he has taken to deal with this crisis.
Lockdowns might have support from the party, public and the opposition now but that will all be forgotten by then. If Johnson is still leader in 2024 he alone will be man who wrecked the economy.
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