Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Countdown said:
Tony427 said:
just too crass and badly organised to be official party shennanigins in my opinion.
"Crass and badly organised" seems to describe the Official Tory party pretty well, don't you think?DeepEnd said:
gooner1 said:
Not sure the voting public are responsible for the actions carried out by some politicians.
If people didn't vote for racist Nigel he wouldn't have had such an effect on UK politics. Sure he dresses up his slime as controlled immigration and being patriotic - which fools some to part with their cash - but 89% of the public (currently) can easily reject his nonsense.
Are you saying 11% of the U.K public , that's including those that didn't even participate, have had
such a massive effect that the ruling party at the time capitulated to their political wishes all because
of Farage? Or do you perhaps there may be a touch more to it than that?
L
If that is indeed the case, then
gooner1 said:
You seem confused, in the first sentence you're saying " if people didn't vote for racist Nigel he wouldn't have had such an effect on UK politics" yet in the next sentence stating 89% of the public( currently) can easily reject his nonsense.
Are you saying 11% of the U.K public , that's including those that didn't even participate, have had
such a massive effect that the ruling party at the time capitulated to their political wishes all because
of Farage? Or do you perhaps there may be a touch more to it than that?
L
If that is indeed the case, then
Is your keyboard broken?Are you saying 11% of the U.K public , that's including those that didn't even participate, have had
such a massive effect that the ruling party at the time capitulated to their political wishes all because
of Farage? Or do you perhaps there may be a touch more to it than that?
L
If that is indeed the case, then
Nigel is an effective rabble rouser. A large majority of people can see him for what he is, but he has managed to attract enough support to make the tories uncomfortable = and have a stupid referendum - and get elected as an MEP.
Anyone who has voted for him has been conned or is complicit - either way they should be ashamed of supporting such a divisive racist who has done nothing to help this country - on the contrary he has helped bring it to its knees.
Which bits are you struggling to understand?
People have a free choice to vote for who they like. That doesn't mean they cannot not be judged on what they vote for. I have great sympathy with those who regret supporting him, but for those still banging his drum - after all he has done? You have to be a complete Rod Liddle to do so.
DeepEnd said:
gooner1 said:
You seem confused, in the first sentence you're saying " if people didn't vote for racist Nigel he wouldn't have had such an effect on UK politics" yet in the next sentence stating 89% of the public( currently) can easily reject his nonsense.
Are you saying 11% of the U.K public , that's including those that didn't even participate, have had
such a massive effect that the ruling party at the time capitulated to their political wishes all because
of Farage? Or do you perhaps there may be a touch more to it than that?
L
If that is indeed the case, then
Is your keyboard broken?Are you saying 11% of the U.K public , that's including those that didn't even participate, have had
such a massive effect that the ruling party at the time capitulated to their political wishes all because
of Farage? Or do you perhaps there may be a touch more to it than that?
L
If that is indeed the case, then
Nigel is an effective rabble rouser. A large majority of people can see him for what he is, but he has managed to attract enough support to make the tories uncomfortable = and have a stupid referendum - and get elected as an MEP.
Anyone who has voted for him has been conned or is complicit - either way they should be ashamed of supporting such a divisive racist who has done nothing to help this country - on the contrary he has helped bring it to its knees.
Which bits are you struggling to understand?
People have a free choice to vote for who they like. That doesn't mean they cannot not be judged on what they vote for. I have great sympathy with those who regret supporting him, but for those still banging his drum - after all he has done? You have to be a complete Rod Liddle to do so.
The bit I'm struggling to understand is your premise that this country is on it's knees.
This country, or group of countries to be precise is not on it's knees.
Despite the likes of you trying to drag it down and refusing to accept a democratically reached Referendum. Brexit hasn't damaged the UK, but the time spent attempting to delay it along with the uncertainty that accompanies certainly has.
It's a recurring theme for you, and some others ,to brand anyone that doesn't comply with your train of thought as a racist. It's bulls
t and a worn out excuse.Btw, I've never voted for NF, who I'm far from convinced is an outright racist, mainly because I've never needed to, but if BJ hadn't got a grip of Brexit , I may well of done. HTH.
Helicopter123 said:
DeepEnd said:
gooner1 said:
Not sure the voting public are responsible for the actions carried out by some politicians.
If people didn't vote for racist Nigel he wouldn't have had such an effect on UK politics. Sure he dresses up his slime as controlled immigration and being patriotic - which fools some to part with their cash - but 89% of the public (currently) can easily reject his nonsense.
DeepEnd said:
crankedup said:
Something else we should be grateful for then, Nigel promised that he would ‘shake-up’ the current political process. Looks like that desire has also materialised, we certainly do need a massive change in the way our politics are processed and run. Good news then unless you happen to believe that our political system is beyond reproach.
Depends on where you think he's put us. He's helped scare millions into fearing immigration.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:Breadvan72 said:
Anne Widdecombe also claimed that she was offered an inducement. She may well be lying. If she is not lying, then an offence may have been committed by whomever offered the inducement.
I heard her on LBC earlier today.As much as I dislike her views on a great many things she was very sure she was offered a "role in the negotiations" if she stood down.
She said she'd be prepared to say so under oath if she were ever required to do so.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/andrew-pier...
Has anyone been a little more specific yet?
crankedup said:
Something else we should be grateful for then, Nigel promised that he would ‘shake-up’ the current political process. Looks like that desire has also materialised, we certainly do need a massive change in the way our politics are processed and run. Good news then unless you happen to believe that our political system is beyond reproach.
Maximising corruption, racism, mendacity, and opportunism is, I suppose, one way to “reform” a flawed system . Breadvan72 said:
crankedup said:
Something else we should be grateful for then, Nigel promised that he would ‘shake-up’ the current political process. Looks like that desire has also materialised, we certainly do need a massive change in the way our politics are processed and run. Good news then unless you happen to believe that our political system is beyond reproach.
Maximising corruption, racism, mendacity, and opportunism is, I suppose, one way to “reform” a flawed system . I cannot tell if you are serious. There is no Brexit Party. There is a private business that spends its time defrauding members of the public out of cash. Farage has built a career on lying and scamming and stoking the fires of racism. If you are not spoofing and genuinely admire him, you have frankly bizarre views of what a political system should be.
Breadvan72 said:
I cannot tell if you are serious. There is no Brexit Party. There is a private business that spends its time defrauding members of the public out of cash. Farage has built a career on lying and scamming and stoking the fires of racism. If you are not spoofing and genuinely admire him, you have frankly bizarre views of what a political system should be.
I suggest you go back to some of my earlier posts regarding our political system.I find your reasoning bizarre, TBP exists but not on the form of norms of your mind.That matters not,
the facts speak for themselves, you are simply unable to accept them. I don’t idolise Farage, but I do recognise his achievements which so happen to support my political beliefs and ambition. I couldn’t care less on how he may or may not meet with your approval, and I expect he has the same attitude. You wouldn’t expect me to diss Farage being as his politics suit my agenda.
Personally I find it completely to be devoid of any sense or reasoning why any person would want to vote for Corbyn Labour Party, but there you go, it’s politics.
Breadvan72 said:
Courage and tenacity? Farage too spineless to stand for election. A deal with the Tories to support a Brexit deal denounced by Farage only a week or so ago as not Brexit. Very courageous and tenacious!
Honestly, you need to focus on the politics working here, forget the personality. The bigger picture is all that matters. You know that of course.
For Farage it’s the culmination of 35 years of work. Pragmatism and compromise comes to the fore at this stage.
Breadvan72 said:
I cannot tell if you are serious. There is no Brexit Party. There is a private business that spends its time defrauding members of the public out of cash. Farage has built a career on lying and scamming and stoking the fires of racism. If you are not spoofing and genuinely admire him, you have frankly bizarre views of what a political system should be.
Stoking the fires of racism !!!! 
.... bet I'm not the first to suggest you are guilty of hyperbole old chap ...mind is was terrible of him to push for a Australian style points system which would discriminate against unskilled white eastern europeans .... blessed are the woke lower middle classes,,,
chrispmartha said:
crankedup said:
For me it comes down to the simplicity of ‘means to end’ . I suspect that many in TBP hold the same ethos.
So, for you, is it brexit at all costs? That’s the number one issue and screw everything else?for me provided the foundation of brexit and for that I thank him. I care not about all the tittle tattle online nonsense of anger, frustration, disbelief expressed. Along with 17.4 million leavers I can’t wait for brexit day, my celebration drinks are in the cooler ready.
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