Nigel Farage Launches New Brexit Party (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
Powerstroke, on the assumption that you are genuinely unaware that Farage is a racist, please look up his quotable quotes about Romanians, and consider the famous poster showing all the brown people lining up to get in and steal all our stuff, rape all our daughters etc. Some say that Farage might not himself be racist (I disagree, based on evidence dating back to his schooldays), but also say that he manipulates the ignorance and fear of racists. Farage certainly does that, and that is as discreditable to him as being personally racist.
Fear is a product of ignorance. Ignorance can be cured by information. Racism is learned behaviour and can be unlearned. Moving away from racism to general fear of or distrust of or hatred of the EU, this is also learned behaviour, based on a deficit of reliable information, and adherence to deliberately false misinformation. All curable by reading with a critical eye.
BV - I was going to post something similar. Farage knows exactly what he's doing. Fear is a product of ignorance. Ignorance can be cured by information. Racism is learned behaviour and can be unlearned. Moving away from racism to general fear of or distrust of or hatred of the EU, this is also learned behaviour, based on a deficit of reliable information, and adherence to deliberately false misinformation. All curable by reading with a critical eye.
He is either racist - my feeling due to the long history of his behaviour, outbursts and notably the school rumours. I think he is proper dark but hides it deliberately, and only ever nudges the line.
Or if I'm wrong about that he clearly uses racism as a tool, a weapon to froth up those all too easily led to feel prejudice as a way of feeling better about themselves. He could just be doing all this as a scam, as a conman. What a moral vacuum that would make him - arguably worse than being a misguided racist.
Either way, supporting him has no redeeming features and is fundamentally anti-social and against all that is basic in a civilised tolerant society.
james_GTI said:
Breadvan72 said:
Care in the community, I gather. I blame the cuts.
You do like dishing out insults, rather that posting facts to support your position.DeepEnd said:
BV - I was going to post something similar. Farage knows exactly what he's doing.
He is either racist - my feeling due to the long history of his behaviour, outbursts and notably the school rumours. I think he is proper dark but hides it deliberately, and only ever nudges the line.
Or if I'm wrong about that he clearly uses racism as a tool, a weapon to froth up those all too easily led to feel prejudice as a way of feeling better about themselves. He could just be doing all this as a scam, as a conman. What a moral vacuum that would make him - arguably worse than being a misguided racist.
Either way, supporting him has no redeeming features and is fundamentally anti-social and against all that is basic in a civilised tolerant society.
Farage is indeed a moral abyss. To support him is to take a very odd position indeed. The same, sadly, is true of Johnson and Corbyn also. He is either racist - my feeling due to the long history of his behaviour, outbursts and notably the school rumours. I think he is proper dark but hides it deliberately, and only ever nudges the line.
Or if I'm wrong about that he clearly uses racism as a tool, a weapon to froth up those all too easily led to feel prejudice as a way of feeling better about themselves. He could just be doing all this as a scam, as a conman. What a moral vacuum that would make him - arguably worse than being a misguided racist.
Either way, supporting him has no redeeming features and is fundamentally anti-social and against all that is basic in a civilised tolerant society.
Breadvan72 said:
Have a look at the mega tedious debate about a deeply trivial and utterly unimportant point that led to the latest toppest bantzfest. Be warned: it is hyper dull. I dished out the boring facts, but boomer gooner has read a website that he thinks is true. You know what websites are like.
Goon is best ignored.DeepEnd said:
BV - I was going to post something similar. Farage knows exactly what he's doing.
He is either racist - my feeling due to the long history of his behaviour, outbursts and notably the school rumours. I think he is proper dark but hides it deliberately, and only ever nudges the line.
Or if I'm wrong about that he clearly uses racism as a tool, a weapon to froth up those all too easily led to feel prejudice as a way of feeling better about themselves. He could just be doing all this as a scam, as a conman. What a moral vacuum that would make him - arguably worse than being a misguided racist.
Either way, supporting him has no redeeming features and is fundamentally anti-social and against all that is basic in a civilised tolerant society.
This is a good summary IMOHe is either racist - my feeling due to the long history of his behaviour, outbursts and notably the school rumours. I think he is proper dark but hides it deliberately, and only ever nudges the line.
Or if I'm wrong about that he clearly uses racism as a tool, a weapon to froth up those all too easily led to feel prejudice as a way of feeling better about themselves. He could just be doing all this as a scam, as a conman. What a moral vacuum that would make him - arguably worse than being a misguided racist.
Either way, supporting him has no redeeming features and is fundamentally anti-social and against all that is basic in a civilised tolerant society.
He is clever, he knows which buttons to press and how his target demographic will respond
It’s classic dog whistle stuff
He is not without talents
He has created something of a monster now though and I am struggling to see how he can go back to his prior life (most institutions wouldn’t have him I suspect) and so he will find new targets in the fullness of time
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Goon is best ignored.
So are people that didn't care enough to vote in the referendum but spend the next 3 years all over the Brexit threads, only post on one side of the argument.That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
james_GTI said:
So are people that didn't care enough to vote in the referendum but spend the next 3 years all over the Brexit threads, only post on one side of the argument.
That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
Which Gti do you drive James ?That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
Breadvan72 said:
james_GTI said:
Breadvan72 said:
Care in the community, I gather. I blame the cuts.
You do like dishing out insults, rather that posting facts to support your position.awkward questions put to you?
Yeah, we know what websites are like.
Brooking10 said:
This is a good summary IMO
He is clever, he knows which buttons to press and how his target demographic will respond
It’s classic dog whistle stuff
He is not without talents
He has created something of a monster now though and I am struggling to see how he can go back to his prior life (most institutions wouldn’t have him I suspect) and so he will find new targets in the fullness of time
He is very damaged goods in many ways - it's all he knows and no one respectable is ever going to want to be associated with him.He is clever, he knows which buttons to press and how his target demographic will respond
It’s classic dog whistle stuff
He is not without talents
He has created something of a monster now though and I am struggling to see how he can go back to his prior life (most institutions wouldn’t have him I suspect) and so he will find new targets in the fullness of time
He almost needs rehabilitation from being a divisive popularist racism orientated rabble rouser.
james_GTI said:
So are people that didn't care enough to vote in the referendum but spend the next 3 years all over the Brexit threads, only post on one side of the argument.
That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
I see you spent your two weeks probation back reading.That they also always insist on referring to Nigel Farage as 'St Farage' or similar, emphasises that they have no intention of having a sensible discussion.
james_GTI said:
It's good to know the other 'characters'.
I see you don't deny it though!
Here’s something for you to consider.I see you don't deny it though!
Being a hardcore Remainer is not a pre-requisite for recognising Farage as thoroughly unpleasant and deliberately divisive figure who plays on certain lowest common denominator emotions.
Brooking10 said:
Here’s something for you to consider.
Being a hardcore Remainer is not a pre-requisite for recognising Farage as thoroughly unpleasant and deliberately divisive figure who plays on certain lowest common denominator emotions.
Here's something for you to consider. I never said it was.Being a hardcore Remainer is not a pre-requisite for recognising Farage as thoroughly unpleasant and deliberately divisive figure who plays on certain lowest common denominator emotions.
DeepEnd said:
Brooking10 said:
This is a good summary IMO
He is clever, he knows which buttons to press and how his target demographic will respond
It’s classic dog whistle stuff
He is not without talents
He has created something of a monster now though and I am struggling to see how he can go back to his prior life (most institutions wouldn’t have him I suspect) and so he will find new targets in the fullness of time
He is very damaged goods in many ways - it's all he knows and no one respectable is ever going to want to be associated with him.He is clever, he knows which buttons to press and how his target demographic will respond
It’s classic dog whistle stuff
He is not without talents
He has created something of a monster now though and I am struggling to see how he can go back to his prior life (most institutions wouldn’t have him I suspect) and so he will find new targets in the fullness of time
He almost needs rehabilitation from being a divisive popularist racism orientated rabble rouser.
They even placed more trust in Carswell than faarange..!!!!
Piha said:
What was telling was the way the official Leave campaign in the referendum completely shunned faarange. They knew he was poison and not the type of politician well informed, educated voters would get behind.
They even placed more trust in Carswell than faarange..!!!!
And yet every leaver is supposed to be a Farage fan. Thanks for confirming most leavers voted on the options presented, that of leaving the EU or remaining in the EU, and not the personality cult of Farage as depicted in this thread.They even placed more trust in Carswell than faarange..!!!!
gooner1 said:
The websites that you continually recommend posters refer to when you deign not to answer any
awkward questions put to you?
Yeah, we know what websites are like.
No, different websites. Please remind me of the bit in the sign-up rules where it says that PH members have to answer all daft questions put to them by 97,000 year old wibblists? awkward questions put to you?
Yeah, we know what websites are like.
Any views on that Mr Farage? PS: That is a question, and this is PH, so you don't have to answer that or indeed any question, but I think that we should be polite to Mr Farage and let him have his thread back, as he gets sad if people are not talking about him.
jsf said:
And yet every leaver is supposed to be a Farage fan. Thanks for confirming most leavers voted on the options presented, that of leaving the EU or remaining in the EU, and not the personality cult of Farage as depicted in this thread.
It’s great when people criticise others for over generalising based on their own biases by over generalising based on their own biases.crankedup said:
Depends upon who has written the material to which you may aspire, we all as individuals have built in prejudices formed upon our past life experience, that much I can agree.. Not easy to unpick. We could easily apply the ‘learned behaviour’ to the thinking that the EU is the saviour, as many people seem to adopt. It is of course simply a political project one of many over the centuries which has grown and u.timately failed. People are tribal and until that instinct is extinguished attempts to mould belief into one thought pattern will never be successful, thankfully.
I respect your point and your view, but I can’t agree with your conclusion. We may be tribal but our well being and betterment is better achieved through cooperation, understanding and harmony. Learning to coexist and benefit from different cultures is a better future and has proved to be a better past. The natural extension, I would contend, of an ever narrowing society is intolerance, ignorance and ultimately fascism. I don’t think for one minute that you desire any such thing, but that’s how I see things developing as we leave. Just my view and no more or less valid than yours. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff