Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Leicester Loyal said:
Alpinestars said:
Is he still playing a blinder?
Yep. 37% in the polls today. Labour on 22% and Lib Dems on 19%. Brexit Party on 11%.Be nice if some of those BP voters would swap to Cons.
It’s this kind of entrenchment that leads to the problems we are seeing.
Gargamel said:
Are you one of those people who also spent weeks saying Boris would never get a new deal from the EU and that No deal was the plan all along.
So far Boris has done pretty much what he said he would do. If he doesn’t have the numbers to carry the vote or amendments get made, I don’t think those people that voted to leave the EU will be blaming Boris, do you ?
By returning with a slightly modified, and some might say worse, offer that May did. He also stated that a border in the Irish Sea was a non-starter. So far Boris has done pretty much what he said he would do. If he doesn’t have the numbers to carry the vote or amendments get made, I don’t think those people that voted to leave the EU will be blaming Boris, do you ?
Johnson isn't going for a deal. He's not going for a hard brexit either. He's trying to get elected. All this faffing about is nothing more that grandstanding. He does not care, one way or the other. All he wants to do is come out of it with praise, whatever happens. And, it seems, he might well do just that.
As you say, the leavers won't blame him, even if we don't leave. He's got them convinced he's got a plan, one over and about clinging onto power.
Leicester Loyal said:
Plenty like that in here. The same ones who said he was a liar for claiming he'd get a deal have been silent and calling him a liar for other stuff ever since.
Obviously no other politician has ever lied or not stood up to their word...
Oh look over there at that liar, which means my liar isn’t really a liar. Trump/Boris playbook 101. Obviously no other politician has ever lied or not stood up to their word...
Derek Smith said:
Gargamel said:
Are you one of those people who also spent weeks saying Boris would never get a new deal from the EU and that No deal was the plan all along.
So far Boris has done pretty much what he said he would do. If he doesn’t have the numbers to carry the vote or amendments get made, I don’t think those people that voted to leave the EU will be blaming Boris, do you ?
By returning with a slightly modified, and some might say worse, offer that May did. He also stated that a border in the Irish Sea was a non-starter. So far Boris has done pretty much what he said he would do. If he doesn’t have the numbers to carry the vote or amendments get made, I don’t think those people that voted to leave the EU will be blaming Boris, do you ?
As it turns out, it's rather straightforward to get a partner to re-open negotiations exclusively for you to make further concessions.
He just hoped to rush it all through before his fans, happy to believe that it must be a deal that hurts the EU and benefits us "because Boris", realised the reality.
Derek Smith said:
By returning with a slightly modified, and some might say worse, offer that May did. He also stated that a border in the Irish Sea was a non-starter.
Johnson isn't going for a deal. He's not going for a hard brexit either. He's trying to get elected. All this faffing about is nothing more that grandstanding. He does not care, one way or the other. All he wants to do is come out of it with praise, whatever happens. And, it seems, he might well do just that.
As you say, the leavers won't blame him, even if we don't leave. He's got them convinced he's got a plan, one over and about clinging onto power.
It’s all about power. But let’s not pretend there’s a strategy in there somewhere that’s worked. Almost whoever stands for the conservatives would win an election (imv), because Corbyn is unelectable. Boris desperately wanted to get us out so that he would be held up as some sort of hero. He will now focus his attention on winning an election to save face. Johnson isn't going for a deal. He's not going for a hard brexit either. He's trying to get elected. All this faffing about is nothing more that grandstanding. He does not care, one way or the other. All he wants to do is come out of it with praise, whatever happens. And, it seems, he might well do just that.
As you say, the leavers won't blame him, even if we don't leave. He's got them convinced he's got a plan, one over and about clinging onto power.
May should have made him Brexit secretary from the get go, to allow him to fail earlier.
Derek Smith said:
Gargamel said:
Are you one of those people who also spent weeks saying Boris would never get a new deal from the EU and that No deal was the plan all along.
So far Boris has done pretty much what he said he would do. If he doesn’t have the numbers to carry the vote or amendments get made, I don’t think those people that voted to leave the EU will be blaming Boris, do you ?
By returning with a slightly modified, and some might say worse, offer that May did. He also stated that a border in the Irish Sea was a non-starter. So far Boris has done pretty much what he said he would do. If he doesn’t have the numbers to carry the vote or amendments get made, I don’t think those people that voted to leave the EU will be blaming Boris, do you ?
Johnson isn't going for a deal. He's not going for a hard brexit either. He's trying to get elected. All this faffing about is nothing more that grandstanding. He does not care, one way or the other. All he wants to do is come out of it with praise, whatever happens. And, it seems, he might well do just that.
As you say, the leavers won't blame him, even if we don't leave. He's got them convinced he's got a plan, one over and about clinging onto power.
There seems to be a lot of vitriol for BJ, and I am not sure exactly why, the whole situation is a buggers muddle. I guess there is a sense of rhetoric meets reality with Boris, but I kind of factor that in.
jsf said:
After we joined the EEC and threw in massive inflation going to the metric system. My penny chew takehome went through the floor, the b
ds.
That's right but didn't metrication come first? I remember Bazooka Joes got more expensive and much smaller at the same time. Cheating bds. ds. I know metrication is Satan's work but you can't blame the EEC per se for that one - it was Heath and Wilson wot stitched us up wiv metrics.Alpinestars said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Plenty like that in here. The same ones who said he was a liar for claiming he'd get a deal have been silent and calling him a liar for other stuff ever since.
Obviously no other politician has ever lied or not stood up to their word...
Oh look over there at that liar, which means my liar isn’t really a liar. Trump/Boris playbook 101. Obviously no other politician has ever lied or not stood up to their word...
Alpinestars said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Hasn't he just had his deal approved for second reading?Which is lucky for him as he doesn't seem to be able to do that
vonuber said:
digimeistter said:
Please expand on your theory 
Why? You made the statement first based on absolutely nothing. I can do this pointless back and forth all night - I had a 20 minute stand off with my 2 year old about her clearing up her jigsaw, so this is nothing. 
I made a statement which I believe in, you replied in the negative "No it isn't" without any reasoning to support it.
Apart from that, thank you for your contribution
turbobloke said:
Alpinestars said:
Leicester Loyal said:
Plenty like that in here. The same ones who said he was a liar for claiming he'd get a deal have been silent and calling him a liar for other stuff ever since.
Obviously no other politician has ever lied or not stood up to their word...
Oh look over there at that liar, which means my liar isn’t really a liar. Trump/Boris playbook 101. Obviously no other politician has ever lied or not stood up to their word...
Gargamel said:
All fair comment, I think most politicians are trying to get elected, it is kind of the job. The current HoC isn’t exactly overburdened with high minded principled individuals.
There seems to be a lot of vitriol for BJ, and I am not sure exactly why, the whole situation is a buggers muddle. I guess there is a sense of rhetoric meets reality with Boris, but I kind of factor that in.
Is it possible that you are conflating two separate circumstances? There seems to be a lot of vitriol for BJ, and I am not sure exactly why, the whole situation is a buggers muddle. I guess there is a sense of rhetoric meets reality with Boris, but I kind of factor that in.
How Johnson is running brexit is one aspect. The other is the person himself.
All ambitious politicians are untrustworthy; some more than others. Johonson, however, takes it to a level below any that I've known. His whole history is one of dishonesty. The touting for someone to beat another, but not too badly, just enough to hurt him, should have been enough exclude him from politics, let alone the tory party. He's Jeffrey Archer, ironically more of a clown, but worse. Johnson is dangerous.
With his proven history, I refuse to put any trust in him. He's duplicitous. What you see is not what you get. He's taking us along a path for his own selfish reasons.
I'm more or less happy with the WA, apart from leaving NI in the CU. That said, given the nature of the agreement, and the businesses that pay for the tory party, one might assume the rest of the UK will be in the CU within 5 years. It's what I want.
One of the loony facts right now is that so long as Corbyn leads Labour, the Tories could run with a wax dummy of Myra Hindley as their leader and they would still win. Remove Corbyn, and Labour could run with the Myra Hindley doll and beat Johnson. Truly, those that the Gods seek to destroy, they first make mad.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 22 October 22:48
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