Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)
Discussion
Murph7355 said:
There are undoubtedly major issues with getting into bed with TBP in a similar way to the DUP s&c fiasco. But there may not be a choice if they want to be in power - and one that is one thing they all want.
They'll need to get into bed with TBP before the election in order to stop them splitting the vote and that'll turn off a lot of moderate Tories. The only way I can see it working is if TBP unilaterally decide not to go up against leave Tories and hope to be thrown some crumbs after the election.
Away from Brexit for the moment, how do the Tory faithful feel about the Chancellor's comments on his impending budget?
From the FT:
“A perfect storm is brewing for next year’s deficit — even if a Brexit deal is passed,” said George Buckley, economist at Nomura. He noted that the deficit was already rising, a weakening economy would widen it further, the chancellor had already announced a significant increase in spending and the budget was yet to come."
So Boris' tax cuts were a lie, and the Tories are basically bribing the electorate with Labour-esque public spending and debt increases.
From the FT:
“A perfect storm is brewing for next year’s deficit — even if a Brexit deal is passed,” said George Buckley, economist at Nomura. He noted that the deficit was already rising, a weakening economy would widen it further, the chancellor had already announced a significant increase in spending and the budget was yet to come."
So Boris' tax cuts were a lie, and the Tories are basically bribing the electorate with Labour-esque public spending and debt increases.
Bussolini said:
Away from Brexit for the moment, how do the Tory faithful feel about the Chancellor's comments on his impending budget?
From the FT:
“A perfect storm is brewing for next year’s deficit — even if a Brexit deal is passed,” said George Buckley, economist at Nomura. He noted that the deficit was already rising, a weakening economy would widen it further, the chancellor had already announced a significant increase in spending and the budget was yet to come."
So Boris' tax cuts were a lie, and the Tories are basically bribing the electorate with Labour-esque public spending and debt increases.
He would hardly be the first Chancellor of any party to make electoral bribes with taxpayer money, though, would he?From the FT:
“A perfect storm is brewing for next year’s deficit — even if a Brexit deal is passed,” said George Buckley, economist at Nomura. He noted that the deficit was already rising, a weakening economy would widen it further, the chancellor had already announced a significant increase in spending and the budget was yet to come."
So Boris' tax cuts were a lie, and the Tories are basically bribing the electorate with Labour-esque public spending and debt increases.
Brown, for example, was a past master, as were Lawson and Clarke.
Indeed, you'd be harder pressed to find a Chancellor who hadn't.
psi310398 said:
He would hardly be the first Chancellor of any party to make electoral bribes with taxpayer money, though, would he?
Brown, for example, was a past master, as were Lawson and Clarke.
Indeed, you'd be harder pressed to find a Chancellor who hadn't.
Perhaps, but flying directly in the face of promises made on tax cuts, with all the bluster around Labour's record on debt and spending, is hypocritical and one wonders whether it will play well with the Tories core support. Brown, for example, was a past master, as were Lawson and Clarke.
Indeed, you'd be harder pressed to find a Chancellor who hadn't.
Bussolini said:
Perhaps, but flying directly in the face of promises made on tax cuts, with all the bluster around Labour's record on debt and spending, is hypocritical and one wonders whether it will play well with the Tories core support.
What bluster, have you seen the scale of Labour's spending commitments?Absolutely no point trying to keep reducing the deficit if it results in a Labour government which bankrupts the country. Targeted spending increases are the way they will need to fight the next election.
JagLover said:
What bluster, have you seen the scale of Labour's spending commitments?
Absolutely no point trying to keep reducing the deficit if it results in a Labour government which bankrupts the country. Targeted spending increases are the way they will need to fight the next election.
Labour are a hard left party at the moment, of course they are going to want to spend and borrow - it's a pretty poor defence to lies and departure from principles to say 'but the Marxists want to spend more!'. Absolutely no point trying to keep reducing the deficit if it results in a Labour government which bankrupts the country. Targeted spending increases are the way they will need to fight the next election.
JagLover said:
Bussolini said:
Perhaps, but flying directly in the face of promises made on tax cuts, with all the bluster around Labour's record on debt and spending, is hypocritical and one wonders whether it will play well with the Tories core support.
What bluster, have you seen the scale of Labour's spending commitments?Absolutely no point trying to keep reducing the deficit if it results in a Labour government which bankrupts the country. Targeted spending increases are the way they will need to fight the next election.
Bussolini said:
Labour are a hard left party at the moment, of course they are going to want to spend and borrow - it's a pretty poor defence to lies and departure from principles to say 'but the Marxists want to spend more!'.
Then you will be free to vote for the party that wants to continue austerity.....if such a party exists. Bussolini said:
So, for the avoidance of doubt, are you in favour of higher spending and borrowing or in favour of further austerity and reducing the deficit?
Politics is the art of the possible, which is why many smart people fail as politicians.At the present time the Tories need to tackle weaknesses in their political position in terns of education, law and order and the NHS and they also need to make a gesture toward "left behind areas" in terns of infrastructure spend. All of this means that, at present, they need to be increasing the deficit somewhat.
If healthier economic growth returns they may be able to both do the above and bring the budget back into balance. Losing an election, and thus bringing into office a party that will wreck both the country and its finances, is a pretty poor example of prudent economic management.
JagLover said:
Bussolini said:
So, for the avoidance of doubt, are you in favour of higher spending and borrowing or in favour of further austerity and reducing the deficit?
Politics is the art of the possible, which is why many smart people fail as politicians.At the present time the Tories need to tackle weaknesses in their political position in terns of education, law and order and the NHS and they also need to make a gesture toward "left behind areas" in terns of infrastructure spend. All of this means that, at present, they need to be increasing the deficit somewhat.
If healthier economic growth returns they may be able to both do the above and bring the budget back into balance. Losing an election, and thus bringing into office a party that will wreck both the country and its finances, is a pretty poor example of prudent economic management.
I despair.
Only those with their fingers in their ears saying la la la don’t know that a hard Brexit will wreck the country and its finances, so on that basis Johnson winning doesn’t count as the most prudent management either. Scylla and Charybdis again (Classical references to cheer up fans of the Latinate PM.)
Edited because 6am ish no coffee bblerrrgh.
Edited because 6am ish no coffee bblerrrgh.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 23 October 11:24
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Frik said:
the only vote Boris has won so far he did so at a 52/48 margin?
52 is one of those spooky coincidence numbers.In 1994, Sweden voted to join - 52%
In 1994, Norway, voted not to join. Guess the percentage? (And FWIW, in the same pattern as the UK referendum, the areas that voted to join/stay were the 'elite' metropolitan areas with all rural areas strongly against.)
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