Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

[booboise blueboys]

Frik said:

Except maybe Dominic Raab, the only man in the Tory party more ambitious and incapable than Boris. At least BJ has some charm.

I think the time for "only a devout leaver can sort this out" has passed. What we need is someone capable of compromise.

Absolutely.

[kainedog]

booboise blueboys said:

Absolutely.

If there’s a general election my decision will be based purely on who I could see myself nipping out for a pint with , Boris or Jeremy ? No brainer

[booboise blueboys]

kainedog said:

booboise blueboys said:

Absolutely.

If there’s a general election my decision will be based purely on who I could see myself nipping out for a pint with , Boris or Jeremy ? No brainer

You misspelt Nigel.

[Frik]

If we could hold our breath until January and the outcome of the ECHR investigation into labour then we might see the back of Corbyn, too.

[anonymous-user]

booboise blueboys said:

Frik said:

Except maybe Dominic Raab, the only man in the Tory party more ambitious and incapable than Boris. At least BJ has some charm.

I think the time for "only a devout leaver can sort this out" has passed. What we need is someone capable of compromise.

Absolutely.

Bullst. It needs someone with resolve and someone who understands that leave means leave. fk the idea of compromise when all compromises lead to remain.
This is precisely why the opposition parties are targeting BoJo; because they know he is that person.
ETA The idea, not your idea! Sounded a bit too personal and it wasn't meant to be!

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 25th October 00:08

[vonuber]

kainedog said:

Love him or loathe him he’s trying to do what the public voted for, to leave the eu. It matters not if you’re a remainer or leaver all this whole nonsense proves is that our democracy is a anything but

I'd suggest it proves how robust it is - especially given we have already had a general election post referendum.

[anonymous-user]

Vanden Saab said:

Yes unlawful not illegal... Some still do not understand the difference...

There is no difference between unlawful and illegal. The suggestion of such a difference if FOTL nonsense.

[anonymous-user]

Burwood said:

illegal is forbidden by the law and unlawful means simple there is no law dealing with the issue

Incorrect.

[JagLover]

Frik said:

Except maybe Dominic Raab, the only man in the Tory party more ambitious and incapable than Boris. At least BJ has some charm.

I think the time for "only a devout leaver can sort this out" has passed. What we need is someone capable of compromise.

Like someone willing to agree to the EU's conditions for a WA you mean

All the facile talk about "soft" and "hard" Brexit shouldn't conceal the key issue about what comes next. The UK must be free to negotiate a FTA in its own interests after the WA is signed. If it isn't it is entirely pointless leaving at this point in time.

I was worried that Boris had let parliament take away that ability as a condition for allowing a GE but it appears that Labour will not allow one so there is still all to play for.

[Frik]

Compromise in parliament, I'm not talking about his "skill" in reopening negotiations with the EU which was essentially to offer the other side more concessions.

He has the same problem May had, by choosing an extreme position you're exacerbating the division and constantly fighting the rest of parliament that has something to unite against. The threat of no-deal has been a stupid play because parliament didn't want it. Doubling down on this was a really stupid idea and now he's thrown away his majority. I see yesterday there was talk of going on strike. More childish petulance.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

The Government has postponed the Budget on 6th November.

I do find it amusing that Boris and the Tories caused this situation, and are now getting increasingly angry that others won't help them out of the mess.

Zombie Parliament is the new buzzword by the looks of it.

No law stopping Boris resigning.

[NoNeed]

Frik said:

Compromise in parliament, I'm not talking about his "skill" in reopening negotiations with the EU which was essentially to offer the other side more concessions.

He has the same problem May had, by choosing an extreme position you're exacerbating the division and constantly fighting the rest of parliament that has something to unite against. The threat of no-deal has been a stupid play because parliament didn't want it. Doubling down on this was a really stupid idea and now he's thrown away his majority. I see yesterday there was talk of going on strike. More childish petulance.

it is not extreme, he has a deal

[anonymous-user]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

The Government has postponed the Budget on 6th November.

I do find it amusing that Boris and the Tories caused this situation, and are now getting increasingly angry that others won't help them out of the mess.

Zombie Parliament is the new buzzword by the looks of it.

The conservatives created the brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.

People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.

[NoNeed]

El stovey said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

The Government has postponed the Budget on 6th November.

I do find it amusing that Boris and the Tories caused this situation, and are now getting increasingly angry that others won't help them out of the mess.

Zombie Parliament is the new buzzword by the looks of it.

The conservatives created the Brexit mess. Boris has made it worse by losing his majority and backing himself into a corner with his deadlines, hard Brexit brinksmanship and letting Cummings talk him into this damaging and confrontational government vs parliament rhetoric.

People love this Boris against the establishment and parliament nonsense but if they stopped to think about WHY Boris can’t do anything at the moment then they’d realise it’s almost entirely his own fault and that which isn’t his fault is the fault of his party.

he has a deal just like May had one, what we are seeing is opposition opposed to leaving no matter what deal is done, not Boris's fault that they don't understand democracy.


I don't see any point of the EU offering an extension as there will not be a resolution to the problem, no deal good enough no election.


May aswell go no deal and help sort the aftermath.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Perhaps Boris should commit to a 2nd referendum after the GE if he were to win.

That would get the opposition parties on side for a GE.

[NoNeed]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Perhaps Boris should commit to a 2nd referendum after the GE if he were to win.

That would get the opposition parties on side for a GE.

No it wont, Labour will oppose any deal they didn't make themselves.

Another ref solves nothing, if leave win remainers won't accept it and if remAin win leavers won't

[768]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Perhaps Boris should commit to a 2nd referendum after the GE if he were to win.

That would get the opposition parties on side for a GE.

Err, no it won't.

[Escort3500]

kainedog said:

booboise blueboys said:

Absolutely.

If there’s a general election my decision will be based purely on who I could see myself nipping out for a pint with , Boris or Jeremy ? No brainer

What a horrible thought in either scenario. Johnson wouldn’t buy a round, would be constantly frisking the barmaid and would contradict himself throughout. Corbyn would simply bore you stless.

[JagLover]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

The Government has postponed the Budget on 6th November.

I do find it amusing that Boris and the Tories caused this situation, and are now getting increasingly angry that others won't help them out of the mess.

Zombie Parliament is the new buzzword by the looks of it.

No rush

Only serves to further discredit institutions remainers control. The people are fed up with parliament and politicians now. Imagine how they will feel after months, or even years, of frustrating stasis.

Stay in Bed Instead said:

No law stopping Boris resigning.

My own personal preference would be for the Conservatives to resign from office and let someone else try and form a government, which they likely either wont be able to do, or only able to do for a short period of time. I also think however that Cummings knows what he is doing and until proved otherwise he may well have a better plan of action.

[JagLover]

NoNeed said:

Frik said:

Compromise in parliament, I'm not talking about his "skill" in reopening negotiations with the EU which was essentially to offer the other side more concessions.

He has the same problem May had, by choosing an extreme position you're exacerbating the division and constantly fighting the rest of parliament that has something to unite against. The threat of no-deal has been a stupid play because parliament didn't want it. Doubling down on this was a really stupid idea and now he's thrown away his majority. I see yesterday there was talk of going on strike. More childish petulance.

it is not extreme, he has a deal

Leavers did what remainers wanted and compromised, but it quickly became apparent that was not sufficient and only a Brexit that crippled the capability of the UK to either negotiate a fair FTA with the EU or trade freely with the rest of the world would do.

If we do end up with a "no deal" Brexit it will be because Remainers made it so.