Boris Johnson- Prime Minister (Vol. 2)

[Stay in Bed Instead]

gizlaroc said:

Wow! Just wow!

A jewish guy on here gives his opinion of Corbyn, which is the same as most of the Jewish people you speak to and that is your reply.

Shutting down someones genuine concerns and fears.

Pretty much the definition of anti Semitic.

And you think he should be banned?

Have a fking word with yourself. It is comments like that that are the problem and why it is still such an issue.

Do you think Corbyn is comparable to Hitler?

[TTwiggy]

gizlaroc said:

BOR said:

I'd ban you from the site for that, but I think you are amongst friends here.

Here's Corbyn's record in black and white, the facts:

Corbyn’s record

Wow! Just wow!

A jewish guy on here gives his opinion of Corbyn, which is the same as most of the Jewish people you speak to and that is your reply.

Shutting down someones genuine concerns and fears.

Pretty much the definition of anti Semitic.

And you think he should be banned?

Have a fking word with yourself. It is comments like that that are the problem and why it is still such an issue.

Couple of points - everyone here is anonymous, so saying 'I'm a Jew' is far from conclusive evidence. But more pertinently he said there's 'not much difference' between Hitler and Corbyn, which either shows a huge lack of knowledge concerning the recent history of the Jewish people, or a deliberate attempt at trolling.

Edited by chris.mod on Tuesday 12th November 20:27

[Mrr T]

Mykap said:

Mrr T said:

For the newly retired in good health quotes are £7/8k per annum. As you get older costs go up rapidly. Assume £20k per annum at 70. Get ill and it gets very very expensive if you can even get cover.

Must be wonderful cover!!

I'm with a Spanish provider on a policy taken out at 55 years old and it's 1000 euros a year for their Master plan which covers everything and is worldwide cover. Guaranteed only subject to medical inflation and has stayed steady at this price ( I'm now 60).
Since then I've become a self employed resident (autonomo) and am entitled to care by the state but have chosen to continue my cover as it's comprehensive and cheap enough not to worry about.

People lived in Spain before there was a thing called the EU....

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

[Mrr T]

s2art said:

till not sure if that is correct.

' If you are a pensioner, a student or a worker sent temporarily to Spain by a UK company, the Spanish government says you will continue to be entitled to state healthcare as long as the UK government gives the same concessions to Spanish nationals in the UK.'

I expect most EU countries to offer the same deal.

As I said the EU proposal only covered those already in the EU.

The TM government did propose that it would negotiate S1 like reciprocal arrangements with individual countries. What a BJ government will do is not clear.

[stongle]

Mrr T said:

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

Should you not have mentioned 2 people in your first post? Or is that remainer maths at its finest?

[s2art]

Mrr T said:

s2art said:

till not sure if that is correct.

' If you are a pensioner, a student or a worker sent temporarily to Spain by a UK company, the Spanish government says you will continue to be entitled to state healthcare as long as the UK government gives the same concessions to Spanish nationals in the UK.'

I expect most EU countries to offer the same deal.

As I said the EU proposal only covered those already in the EU.

The TM government did propose that it would negotiate S1 like reciprocal arrangements with individual countries. What a BJ government will do is not clear.

Its not the EU. proposal Its Spain saying it directly. And its not just those already there. As I said I expect most EU countries to offer the same.

[Burwood]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

gizlaroc said:

Wow! Just wow!

A jewish guy on here gives his opinion of Corbyn, which is the same as most of the Jewish people you speak to and that is your reply.

Shutting down someones genuine concerns and fears.

Pretty much the definition of anti Semitic.

And you think he should be banned?

Have a fking word with yourself. It is comments like that that are the problem and why it is still such an issue.

Do you think Corbyn is comparable to Hitler?

In my opinion they have some similar traits. Corbyn wouldn't order special treatment but he'd stand by and fail to stop others doing so, which is exactly what he has done with the jew hate in his party. He's done fk all about it and allowed it to thrive.

[Mrr T]

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

Should you not have mentioned 2 people in your first post? Or is that remainer maths at its finest?

I would have assumed you understand most retirees are couples. Is that not the case for brexiters or do they normally retire alone?

[s2art]

Burwood said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

gizlaroc said:

Wow! Just wow!

A jewish guy on here gives his opinion of Corbyn, which is the same as most of the Jewish people you speak to and that is your reply.

Shutting down someones genuine concerns and fears.

Pretty much the definition of anti Semitic.

And you think he should be banned?

Have a fking word with yourself. It is comments like that that are the problem and why it is still such an issue.

Do you think Corbyn is comparable to Hitler?

In my opinion they have some similar traits. Corbyn wouldn't order special treatment but he'd stand by and fail to stop others doing so, which is exactly what he has done with the jew hate in his party. He's done fk all about it and allowed it to thrive.

Probably closer to Stalin than Hitler.

[Mrr T]

s2art said:

Its not the EU. proposal Its Spain saying it directly. And its not just those already there. As I said I expect most EU countries to offer the same.

It's a Spanish offer to those retirees who are already resident in Spain on no deal. Which was very generous since the UK was not committed to continue to cover the costs. The WA formalised the position and requires the UK to cover the costs.

Post brexit Spain is not going to pay for the healthcare of UK retirees unless the UK agrees to reimburse. At the moment the BJ government has not made its position clear.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 12th November 17:26

[turbobloke]

Mrr T said:

Post brexit Spain is not going to pay for the healthcare of UK retirees unless the UK agrees to reimburse.

Possibly not but its eyes are on expat assets in Spain and in the uk with value >50k for a possible bail-in. Nice!

[stongle]

Mrr T said:

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

Should you not have mentioned 2 people in your first post? Or is that remainer maths at its finest?

I would have assumed you understand most retirees are couples. Is that not the case for brexiters or do they normally retire alone?

Not at all, you were being completely disingenuous with a wildly inflated number. Health premiums are always dependent on the INDIVIDUAL. And lots of people retire alone. I attach no stigma to it, you appear to. Again another remainer numbers fail. Its quite a thing, given everything in this election or even the EU has a £ OR € behind, you should try harder. Or avoid numbers altogether and stick to anecodotal.

[anonymous-user]

Mrr T said:

Post brexit Spain is not going to pay for the healthcare of UK retirees unless the UK agrees to reimburse. At the moment the BJ government has not made its position clear.

Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 12th November 17:26

And why would they?

If I decide to retire in Australia, NZ, Canada, USA or any other Country I have not paid into, why would I expect free healthcare?

This thread has gone so far off track it's unreal.

[gizlaroc]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Do you think Corbyn is comparable to Hitler?

That doesn't matter.

Do you think he shouldn't keep quiet about his concerns?

[Mrr T]

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

Should you not have mentioned 2 people in your first post? Or is that remainer maths at its finest?

I would have assumed you understand most retirees are couples. Is that not the case for brexiters or do they normally retire alone?

Not at all, you were being completely disingenuous with a wildly inflated number. Health premiums are always dependent on the INDIVIDUAL. And lots of people retire alone. I attach no stigma to it, you appear to. Again another remainer numbers fail. Its quite a thing, given everything in this election or even the EU has a £ OR € behind, you should try harder. Or avoid numbers altogether and stick to anecodotal.

Seems you did not understand my post. Fairly standard brexiter.

[Mrr T]

turbobloke said:

Mrr T said:

Post brexit Spain is not going to pay for the healthcare of UK retirees unless the UK agrees to reimburse.

Possibly not but its eyes are on expat assets in Spain and in the uk with value >50k for a possible bail-in. Nice!

Considering the cost of healthcare for the elderly I am not sure an retired UK expat with only 50K will have much interest for the Spanish. 5m might be different but then they could afford health insurance.

[TheRealNoNeedy]

Mrr T said:

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

Should you not have mentioned 2 people in your first post? Or is that remainer maths at its finest?

I would have assumed you understand most retirees are couples. Is that not the case for brexiters or do they normally retire alone?

Not at all, you were being completely disingenuous with a wildly inflated number. Health premiums are always dependent on the INDIVIDUAL. And lots of people retire alone. I attach no stigma to it, you appear to. Again another remainer numbers fail. Its quite a thing, given everything in this election or even the EU has a £ OR € behind, you should try harder. Or avoid numbers altogether and stick to anecodotal.

Seems you did not understand my post. Fairly standard brexiter.

Looks to me you just got caught fiddling the facts

[98elise]

Nexus Icon said:

s2art said:

Please expand. It seems to me that the Tories (including the Lib Dems) ran the country quite well. Otherwise why do we have record levels of employment etc.

Record levels of employment largely thanks to zero hour contracts, sure.

Check out the growth in food bank usage under the tories, for starters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-48037122

Then have a look at real-world wage rises.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-have-wages-change...

Retirement age rising, pension values falling, NHS waiting lists growing and time to treatment in A&E climbing. Doctors, Nurses, Police and Fire service all cut. Hospitals closed. Libraries closed. The list actually does go on....

What's wrong with zero hours contracts? People are happier on ZNC than those with fixed hours. CIPD surveys back this up.

I work ZHC, as did my wife while she was employed. My son has recently got his first job in a pub on ZHC. They give him more hours than he actually wants, but at least he get to tell them when he's available rather then having to be there at fixed times.

[turbobloke]

Mrr T said:

turbobloke said:

Mrr T said:

Post brexit Spain is not going to pay for the healthcare of UK retirees unless the UK agrees to reimburse.

Possibly not but its eyes are on expat assets in Spain and in the uk with value >50k for a possible bail-in. Nice!

Considering the cost of healthcare for the elderly I am not sure an retired UK expat with only 50K will have much interest for the Spanish. 5m might be different but then they could afford health insurance.

Why focus on those with 50k euros in assets, that was the threshold for declaration. Those affected were required to declare UK bank account numbers, uk property details, mortgages and other assets under threat of a 10k euros penalty for not meeting the deadline. Ostensibly a tax thing it has ominous overtones.

Property in Spain alone is likely to be worth more than 50k, and the folks I know still holding property there have a place or two in the UK as well which form the target of the new (then) law. They are savvy enough to work out the costs of keeping a place in Spain and of any decision to retire there permanently, including healthcare, though they are understandably viewing the prospect of their assets being seized via a bail-in due to EZ/EU failings with concern (to say the least).

This can only be vaguely on-topic if Boris has a Spanish retreat so I'll leave it at that.

[Mrr T]

TheRealNoNeedy said:

Mrr T said:

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

stongle said:

Mrr T said:

On line quote from AXA. Used 2 people at 65 and 70.

Should you not have mentioned 2 people in your first post? Or is that remainer maths at its finest?

I would have assumed you understand most retirees are couples. Is that not the case for brexiters or do they normally retire alone?

Not at all, you were being completely disingenuous with a wildly inflated number. Health premiums are always dependent on the INDIVIDUAL. And lots of people retire alone. I attach no stigma to it, you appear to. Again another remainer numbers fail. Its quite a thing, given everything in this election or even the EU has a £ OR € behind, you should try harder. Or avoid numbers altogether and stick to anecodotal.

Seems you did not understand my post. Fairly standard brexiter.

Looks to me you just got caught fiddling the facts

Since I responded immediately to some one who queried the figures giving source and detail I am not very good at fiddling facts.