Labour looking to remove Tom Watson
Discussion
Zirconia said:
Wonder where the MP's will stand after this. I lot did not vote for Corbyn and surly must be looking over their shoulders. Will they jump or cling on.
It's one of the things I find fascinating.You look at the likes of Kier Starmer, Tom Watson, David Lammy, Yvette Cooper, and many others and I don't believe they see Corbyn as representing their vision of Labour values.
The question is, I guess, do they accept that outside the party system they probably have little chance of being elected, or is the assumption that Corbyn is a "bump in the road"?
T-195 said:
Why not?
It wasn't the Lib Dems who decided to have the Referendum, in which roughly 30% of the people voted Leave.
In any result why do the losing side always come out with the stat If everyone had voted them it would be X% for the result not the majority. It wasn't the Lib Dems who decided to have the Referendum, in which roughly 30% of the people voted Leave.
If people don’t want to vote that is their prerogative - I view it as they are indifferent to the result (libs and remainders May say they were too thick to understand what each outcome would mean but I believe they are indifferent and not thick)
T-195 said:
bad company said:
Demanding an end to Brexit is neither Liberal nor Democratic.
Why not?It wasn't the Lib Dems who decided to have the Referendum, in which roughly 30% of the people voted Leave.
Welshbeef said:
I used to think Ed Balls and Ed Milliband were thick/challenged. How I wish to have that calibre back in the Labour Party.
On R4 recently some members MPs were saying Loer Starmer was the most intelligent person they had ever met.
Then you had Angela Rayner the other week in that long debate apologise to Bercow “I don’t really know the rules but will speak my mind”. You’ve been there years putting your hand up claiming ineptness and then permitted to speak is baffling.
The recent Thatcher documentary highlighted how poor many of the current cabinet and shadow cabinet are in comparison. They weren't all great in the 80s, of course, but the current lot are awful. On R4 recently some members MPs were saying Loer Starmer was the most intelligent person they had ever met.
Then you had Angela Rayner the other week in that long debate apologise to Bercow “I don’t really know the rules but will speak my mind”. You’ve been there years putting your hand up claiming ineptness and then permitted to speak is baffling.
The Met have been promising to publish the full report into Operation Midland and Tom Watsons role as a ‘champion’ of Nick/Carl Beech the fantasist at the center of the abuse/pedophile ring.
Many have admired Tom Watsons campaigning style and his support for the venerable and under represented. But he got this one badly wrong and I would expect the Henriques report whilst blaming the MET for its credulity will at least allow that part of the reason they took it so serious was Tom Watsons influence and attention.
I am not convinced TW should stand down over it though, Momentums move against him is worrying for ‘moderates’ in the PLP
Rebecca Long Bailey thoughts on ability?
IMho there appear to be many in the shadow cabinet due to their support of the leader not through abject ability.
I’m not really sure what all the fuss about brainiac Starmer is all about - I’ve seen nothing to justify that tag but I’ve only ever seen him in interviews and the odd chambers performances (weak isbeing generous)
IMho there appear to be many in the shadow cabinet due to their support of the leader not through abject ability.
I’m not really sure what all the fuss about brainiac Starmer is all about - I’ve seen nothing to justify that tag but I’ve only ever seen him in interviews and the odd chambers performances (weak isbeing generous)
MC Bodge said:
Welshbeef said:
Rebecca Long Bailey thoughts on ability?
A friend encountered her at a work event. He wasn't impressed. Interestingly, he was pleasantly surprised by Prince Andrew's tenchical knowledge and understanding at a different work event, prior to various scandals.
(Too soon?)
Eric Mc said:
Both main parties are gradually moving towards their extreme edges. This is a golden opportunity for the Lib Dems to claim that vacated middle ground.
extreme at what? Ineptness? Unelectability?If anything I'd say the opposite, politicians in general today are frightened to commit to anything or really choose a side
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:Zirconia said:
Wonder where the MP's will stand after this. I lot did not vote for Corbyn and surly must be looking over their shoulders. Will they jump or cling on.
It's one of the things I find fascinating.You look at the likes of Kier Starmer, Tom Watson, David Lammy, Yvette Cooper, and many others and I don't believe they see Corbyn as representing their vision of Labour values.
The question is, I guess, do they accept that outside the party system they probably have little chance of being elected, or is the assumption that Corbyn is a "bump in the road"?
Welshbeef said:
In any result why do the losing side always come out with the stat
Because, the last time a national poll on the subject was undertaken support for leave ran to a grand total of 37.4% of the "people", hardly a ringing endorsement, by any estimation.For blatantly obvious reasons, the "winners", from day one, have clung onto the 52% figure because it sounds so much better than 37.4%!
The will of the people runs at 37.4%, there's no getting around that fact!
CypSIdders said:
Welshbeef said:
In any result why do the losing side always come out with the stat
Because, the last time a national poll on the subject was undertaken support for leave ran to a grand total of 37.4% of the "people", hardly a ringing endorsement, by any estimation.For blatantly obvious reasons, the "winners", from day one, have clung onto the 52% figure because it sounds so much better than 37.4%!
The will of the people runs at 37.4%, there's no getting around that fact!
Do you know what the Yes to the 1975 vote was “the people”
Well 2016 72% turnout and a 17.5m yes vote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_201...
Only 43.44% of the people voted to join the European Commission in 1975.
So how do you (from your post I’m assuming your a remain voter / comes over that way) Square the circle? We should never have joined in the first place it wasn’t the will of the people
2016 37% to leave
1975 43% to join
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_197...
Back on topic...
I'm going to watch in fascination how this next election plays out. I'm pretty sure much of the country remain's fair tribal in its politics regardless of the quite obvious self destruction of both main parties. In that sense, it honestly doesn't matter what anyone puts in their manifesto because the vote will go along tribal, not specific policy lines, never mind voting for your local candidate based on them acting in your interest and doing a good job which is actually how our parliamentary democracy works.
Who Momentum thinks they are appealing to, I've no idea. Corbyn's core audience must be a tiny niche that has little room for growth I'd have thought.
I'm going to watch in fascination how this next election plays out. I'm pretty sure much of the country remain's fair tribal in its politics regardless of the quite obvious self destruction of both main parties. In that sense, it honestly doesn't matter what anyone puts in their manifesto because the vote will go along tribal, not specific policy lines, never mind voting for your local candidate based on them acting in your interest and doing a good job which is actually how our parliamentary democracy works.
Who Momentum thinks they are appealing to, I've no idea. Corbyn's core audience must be a tiny niche that has little room for growth I'd have thought.
CypSIdders said:
Welshbeef said:
In any result why do the losing side always come out with the stat
Because, the last time a national poll on the subject was undertaken support for leave ran to a grand total of 37.4% of the "people", hardly a ringing endorsement, by any estimation.For blatantly obvious reasons, the "winners", from day one, have clung onto the 52% figure because it sounds so much better than 37.4%!
The will of the people runs at 37.4%, there's no getting around that fact!
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