Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...
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saaby93 said:
Whats the end game with this thread?
Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
After a quick google, death by dangerous driving can carry a jail sentence. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crow...Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 10th March 12:59
I've vaguely followed this one but not in depth so I'm just going by a previous poster saying that is what she was charged with in absence.
Rod200SX said:
saaby93 said:
Whats the end game with this thread?
Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
After a quick google, death by dangerous driving can carry a jail sentence. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crow...Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 10th March 12:59
I've vaguely followed this one but not in depth so I'm just going by a previous poster saying that is what she was charged with in absence.
Rod200SX said:
saaby93 said:
Whats the end game with this thread?
Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
After a quick google, death by dangerous driving can carry a jail sentence. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crow...Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
I've vaguely followed this one but not in depth so I'm just going by a previous poster saying that is what she was charged with in absence.
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 10th March 15:24
saaby93 said:
Rod200SX said:
saaby93 said:
Whats the end game with this thread?
Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
After a quick google, death by dangerous driving can carry a jail sentence. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crow...Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 10th March 12:59
I've vaguely followed this one but not in depth so I'm just going by a previous poster saying that is what she was charged with in absence.
youngsyr said:
There was a very popular thread on here years ago by TenPenceShort where he talked about his conviction for dangerous driving and jail time. From memory, the other driver was severely injured, not killed.
Yep. I wasn't even driving by that point but was on here, certainly made a difference to me when I started. Harrowing read. Was a DC2 Integra he had the accident in if I recall? Don't think he still frequents the forums but he put it in book form I think?
Rod200SX said:
Yep. I wasn't even driving by that point but was on here, certainly made a difference to me when I started. Harrowing read. Was a DC2 Integra he had the accident in if I recall?
Don't think he still frequents the forums but he put it in book form I think?
I believe 10PS got banned for getting argumentative with other people, AIUI it was because the crash affected him mentally. Don't think he still frequents the forums but he put it in book form I think?
saaby93 said:
This case may have some resonance
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
16 weeks suspended for 2 yearshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
Video of driver gutted - faced up to consequences
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 13th March 12:59
saaby93 said:
saaby93 said:
This case may have some resonance
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
16 weeks suspended for 2 yearshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire...
Video of driver gutted - faced up to consequences
Edited by saaby93 on Saturday 13th March 12:59
Per BBC he "turned away for a split second" .....and yet in Court, did he not admit it could have been 1, 2 or 3 seconds?
Seems ridiculously light sentence for someone who carries on driving whilst looking backwards worrying about a f
king kids teddy bear, instead of simply pulling over and retrieving it safely? Seriously, what does constitute "Dangerous Driving" unless is it driving whilst not looking where you are going?
Ridiculous.
Seems ridiculously light sentence for someone who carries on driving whilst looking backwards worrying about a f
king kids teddy bear, instead of simply pulling over and retrieving it safely? Seriously, what does constitute "Dangerous Driving" unless is it driving whilst not looking where you are going? Ridiculous.
Rod200SX said:
saaby93 said:
Whats the end game with this thread?
Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
After a quick google, death by dangerous driving can carry a jail sentence. https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crow...Ok so worst case she returns to UK convicted and given a relevant sentence for an accident.
Can anyone remember what that was - 6 points or suspended?
Edited by saaby93 on Wednesday 10th March 12:59
I've vaguely followed this one but not in depth so I'm just going by a previous poster saying that is what she was charged with in absence.
manslaughter by gross negligence and sentenced to six years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53435...
Article posted yesterday
"For many of the journalists who reported what Jeffress told me, her most interesting revelation was that Sacoolas would be willing to do community service in the US – the sort of sentence Jeffress thought she would have received in the UK. This reporting disappointed the lawyer’s public relations adviser, who thought people might think that Sacoolas regarded unpaid work as in some way equivalent to the loss of a child. Jeffress had said that community service was one of many options, short of returning to the UK, that Sacoolas was suggesting. Others included meeting the family and ‘making a contribution in Harry’s memory’."
She was a "national security specialist who served in the US embassy in London as the justice department attaché"
"Whatever Sacoolas’s personal views on this might be, it seems clear to me that this is not a decision she herself can take – if she wants her husband to keep his job. The one topic that Jeffress had not been willing to discuss was what Sacoolas and her husband did for a living. RAF Croughton is understood to be a major European hub for US military and intelligence communications. Jonathan Sacoolas was described as a member of the US government’s ‘administrative and technical staff’. Having studied electrical engineering, he could indeed be a computer boffin rather than an intelligence analyst.
Whatever he was doing, he could not carry on doing it in England once his identity was known. The US government brought him and his family home less than three weeks after the accident. It is presumably paying Jeffress’s fees. She has unbeatable experience as a national security specialist who served in the US embassy in London as the justice department attaché. But there cannot be many government employees who can afford a lawyer of her seniority. Sacoolas’s motor insurance company has instructed a separate lawyer to handle the damages claim currently under way in Virginia.
The truth must surely be that the US government has ordered Sacoolas and her husband never to return. That is their dilemma. Either they do what their country asks of them – or she stands in the dock and they both lose their careers."
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/commentary-and-opinio...
"For many of the journalists who reported what Jeffress told me, her most interesting revelation was that Sacoolas would be willing to do community service in the US – the sort of sentence Jeffress thought she would have received in the UK. This reporting disappointed the lawyer’s public relations adviser, who thought people might think that Sacoolas regarded unpaid work as in some way equivalent to the loss of a child. Jeffress had said that community service was one of many options, short of returning to the UK, that Sacoolas was suggesting. Others included meeting the family and ‘making a contribution in Harry’s memory’."
She was a "national security specialist who served in the US embassy in London as the justice department attaché"
"Whatever Sacoolas’s personal views on this might be, it seems clear to me that this is not a decision she herself can take – if she wants her husband to keep his job. The one topic that Jeffress had not been willing to discuss was what Sacoolas and her husband did for a living. RAF Croughton is understood to be a major European hub for US military and intelligence communications. Jonathan Sacoolas was described as a member of the US government’s ‘administrative and technical staff’. Having studied electrical engineering, he could indeed be a computer boffin rather than an intelligence analyst.
Whatever he was doing, he could not carry on doing it in England once his identity was known. The US government brought him and his family home less than three weeks after the accident. It is presumably paying Jeffress’s fees. She has unbeatable experience as a national security specialist who served in the US embassy in London as the justice department attaché. But there cannot be many government employees who can afford a lawyer of her seniority. Sacoolas’s motor insurance company has instructed a separate lawyer to handle the damages claim currently under way in Virginia.
The truth must surely be that the US government has ordered Sacoolas and her husband never to return. That is their dilemma. Either they do what their country asks of them – or she stands in the dock and they both lose their careers."
https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/commentary-and-opinio...
she has fled justice - evaded capture. She killed somebody in the UK because of her driving and then evaded UK law/justice. The UK govt have shown how spineless they are. Extradite her. The prime purpose of a government is to protect its citizens and if it cant protect them bring those to justice. If the Govt cant or wont do that then whats the point in a government? Well we have all seen the contempt the UK govt has for the UK people over the last 18mths already so nothing surprises me now .
g4ry13 said:
Nothing more than a feeble attempt at offering an olive branch.
She's not exactly going to prison in the UK if there's a guilty verdict and it will be a case of manslaughter with no sentence.
I believe the family have said that they don’t want retribution, simply a day in court where she faces up and admits what she has done.She's not exactly going to prison in the UK if there's a guilty verdict and it will be a case of manslaughter with no sentence.
Unusually, the sentence has already been trailed as a community one.
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