Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...
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What would Harry Dunns view on this be I wonder? Oh he is dead. His whole existence was taken away and he was a totally nnocent in all of this
Never having lost a child but having come close I think most of us can imagine the pain his Mum and Dad and siblings have suffered.
What is the prime purpose of the government? It is to protect fundamentally the lives of its citizens, to uphold law and order.
It's fundamental that this woman has justice imposed on her. If that means imprisonment abroad because she was allowed or enabled to escape justice here then so be it if that is the best that can be done. But our govt should be insisting on her being deported back to the UK to face justice here. Its a total insult to the UK if the USA govt won't do that which should have meaninful reprocussions.
Never having lost a child but having come close I think most of us can imagine the pain his Mum and Dad and siblings have suffered.
What is the prime purpose of the government? It is to protect fundamentally the lives of its citizens, to uphold law and order.
It's fundamental that this woman has justice imposed on her. If that means imprisonment abroad because she was allowed or enabled to escape justice here then so be it if that is the best that can be done. But our govt should be insisting on her being deported back to the UK to face justice here. Its a total insult to the UK if the USA govt won't do that which should have meaninful reprocussions.
dundarach said:
Getragdogleg said:
She ran away and tried to get out of it.
f
k her. Hope she gets a couple of years inside to reflect on how to not be a morally bankrupt piece of st.
That's certainly how I feel.f
k her. Hope she gets a couple of years inside to reflect on how to not be a morally bankrupt piece of st. Dr Jekyll said:
Getragdogleg said:
She ran away and tried to get out of it.
fk her. Hope she gets a couple of years inside to reflect on how to not be a morally bankrupt piece of st.
She was ordered out of the country by her employer. f
k her. Hope she gets a couple of years inside to reflect on how to not be a morally bankrupt piece of st. Arrogant pricks, it happened outside of the base, the rules of the rest of the country apply.
I'm assuming she's obviously not going to enter the country to attend.
If she's found guilty of driving without due care and attention, sentenced to a few years. What happens next? USA isn't going to extradite her and our only play is if she ever comes to the UK again (which she won't) then she'll be detained?
If she's found guilty of driving without due care and attention, sentenced to a few years. What happens next? USA isn't going to extradite her and our only play is if she ever comes to the UK again (which she won't) then she'll be detained?
Gareth79 said:
Yup, although it was awful, she had a convincing reason for what happened, so a decent solicitor could have argued that she was working long hours, it was the evening and she was tired and after leaving the base (which was full of US people) momentarily forgot she was in the UK.. It was obviously not an intentional act or deliberately "ignoring the rules of the road". She may well have got away with a suspended sentence and it would have been a small article in the local papers.
I think the court is required to look at the case with a fresh mind though? So in theory what happened afterwards should not count against her. Whether that happens...
A convincing reason?I think the court is required to look at the case with a fresh mind though? So in theory what happened afterwards should not count against her. Whether that happens...
What absolute tosh
Gareth79 said:
Would be interesting for a show of hands on here for people who have driven abroad and turned out of a hotel, car park etc. onto a road and suddenly realised they are on the wrong side.
Me for one. Several times. Notably out in Oregon for about 15 miles before realizing it. Nope, there was nothing coming the other way. Just a nagging feeling of 'wrong'. But then, that could just have been Oregon, hence it being 15 miles. That and no traffic worth mentioning.One of my colleagues made a 'wrong side of the road error', ended up hospitalizing someone. He went back to the UK long before it went to court. He did a lot of depositions, met with the company lawyers, etc. They reckoned it was a try on (the hospitalisation was basically for receiving an airbag in the face, no more). I never heard the end of that, though Avis barred him.
Getragdogleg said:
Funny how we hand over computer geeks that the US claim have hacked something but an American who has actually killed a member of the public here is not extradited.
Sadly, it is very much a one way process, where the UK jumps when the US orders us and we roll over every time.Pit Pony said:
Getragdogleg said:
Funny how we hand over computer geeks that the US claim have hacked something but an American who has actually killed a member of the public here is not extradited.
Funny ?
Perhaps ironic would be a better word.
andyA700 said:
Sadly, it is very much a one way process, where the UK jumps when the US orders us and we roll over every time.
Depends how you look at it. But it's not very much a one-way process.People go both ways. We ask for less extraditions, but actually have a higher %age ratio of success in those applications.
Something like double the amount of people go from UK to US as from US to UK...but I wonder how much of that is explainable by other factors.
Murph7355 said:
andyA700 said:
Sadly, it is very much a one way process, where the UK jumps when the US orders us and we roll over every time.
Depends how you look at it. But it's not very much a one-way process.People go both ways. We ask for less extraditions, but actually have a higher %age ratio of success in those applications.
Something like double the amount of people go from UK to US as from US to UK...but I wonder how much of that is explainable by other factors.
g4ry13 said:
I'm assuming she's obviously not going to enter the country to attend.
If she's found guilty of driving without due care and attention, sentenced to a few years. What happens next? USA isn't going to extradite her and our only play is if she ever comes to the UK again (which she won't) then she'll be detained?
What happens next ? If she's found guilty of driving without due care and attention, sentenced to a few years. What happens next? USA isn't going to extradite her and our only play is if she ever comes to the UK again (which she won't) then she'll be detained?
Nothing
She will either have already entered a plea of guilty to death by careless driving in absence in which case there is no trial .. just a sentencing
Or she pleads not guilty and there is a trial in her absence ( highly unlikely)
Although a custodial sentence is an option, can’t see it being handed down by a Mags court, and if they did it would only be a short one, any lengthy or the maximum could only be given by a Crown Court in any case
So I’d anticipate a U.K. driving ban and a fine and that will be the end of it
The family will, i suppose, have closure because she will have been convicted of causing the death of their child
Cold comfort really
Earthdweller said:
but are you a very senior covert intelligence agent for your country’s spy agency working in a foreign country with diplomatic immunity?
Do we know for a fact that she was?Or just married to someone who might be?
I remember reading that DI being granted to spouses by the UK for activities outside the diplomatic premises and outside diplomatic activities as an oversight which was never corrected.
I might be wrong though but it does ring a bell.
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