Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...

[warch]

anonymous said:

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They could in theory, but I doubt any Commonwealth country would do this, certainly not out of loyalty to the UK. Most Commonwealth countries like Canada and Australia are more closely linked to the U.S. in any case and probably wouldn't do anything to offend them.

An EU member would be highly likely to though, although this may change as and when the extradition arrangement between us and the EU is altered.

[Frank7]

Mrr T said:

The Mad Monk said:

Why "Please" drive on the left.

It's compulsory, there is no 'please' about it. Is there?

Not every where. I used to frequently walk past a road where its compulsory to drive on the right.

Maybe there’s another, I don’t know, but Savoy Court, off Strand, London W.C.2, leading to the Savoy Theatre, and the Savoy Hotel is one road where it’s compulsory to enter and leave on the right.
Many times I’ve left the hotel and sat at the lights, on the right, waiting to turn left or right into Strand, and an unsuspecting driver has turned into Savoy Court on the left, stopped about 1.5 metres from my taxi, and stared incredulously at me, the penny only dropping when other cars and taxis went past him on the right hand side, all I could do was look back at him/her, and shrug.

[kev1974]

The access roads for Hammersmith Bus Station (the upper one) are the only other drive on the right places I know, other than the Savoy.

[Mrr T]

Frank7 said:

Mrr T said:

The Mad Monk said:

Why "Please" drive on the left.

It's compulsory, there is no 'please' about it. Is there?

Not every where. I used to frequently walk past a road where its compulsory to drive on the right.

Maybe there’s another, I don’t know, but Savoy Court, off Strand, London W.C.2, leading to the Savoy Theatre, and the Savoy Hotel is one road where it’s compulsory to enter and leave on the right.
Many times I’ve left the hotel and sat at the lights, on the right, waiting to turn left or right into Strand, and an unsuspecting driver has turned into Savoy Court on the left, stopped about 1.5 metres from my taxi, and stared incredulously at me, the penny only dropping when other cars and taxis went past him on the right hand side, all I could do was look back at him/her, and shrug.

That's the one I know.

[Dr Jekyll]

Mrr T said:

The Mad Monk said:

Why "Please" drive on the left.

It's compulsory, there is no 'please' about it. Is there?

Not every where. I used to frequently walk past a road where its compulsory to drive on the right.

If it's not a dual carriageway and there isn't a solid white line on your side you can legally drive on whichever side of the road you like, or even down the middle. Even if there's a solid line there are circumstances in which you can drive on the right.

[bristolracer]

Says a lot about the character of the woman.
She should just do the right thing.

[Murph7355]

bristolracer said:

Says a lot about the character of the woman.
She should just do the right thing.

She should.

She won't.

[Digger]

bristolracer said:

Says a lot about the character of the woman.
She should just do the right thing.

Maybe she wanted to?

[saaby93]

If it does come back here, anyone know what the penalty is for accidentally driving on the wrong side of the road leading to death?

[anonymous-user]

Murph7355 said:

bristolracer said:

Says a lot about the character of the woman.
She should just do the right thing.

She should.

She won't.

To her the right thing will be staying out of prison and raising her children.

I suspect most people given the option would do the same.

[anonymous-user]

Coolbanana said:

Gweeds said:

Exactly what you'd expect from Trump and Pompeo.

The lawyer has said they'll just wait for the next US administration, to try again. But the US have a history of not extraditing, whilst we seem to hand people over pretty readily.

I can't help but feel their lawyer is just prolonging their grieving process by insisting that there is hope. He is doing his job, sure, but his bullish attitude towards being convinced he will win comes across as someone trying to increase his personal value more than anything else.

Why would the next Administration churn up local waters if it risks alienating some of its voters? It will be easy for it to simply inform that the matter is closed, dealt with by the previous Administration.

For the lawyer to have any real effect, he has to get a significant number of Americans vocally accepting that Sacoolas must return to the UK. Without that there is just zero incentive and the US will not want to appear weak - they are adamant DI existed at the time of the offence and so it is up to the UK to prove it wasn't - do you see anyone in the UK Government actively doing this?

I don't think that's their lawyer. Raad Seiger is a family friend/neighbour, who seems to have taken it upon himself to act as spokesman.

The US government position is clear; it won't permit the extradition of people it believe had diplomatic immunity. Their reasons are well founded; the US liberally applies diplomatic immunity to foreign personnel inside the US, on the basis of quid pro quo. Its not going to make any difference what a UK judge believes.

This is somewhat blown out of all proportion considering its likely there will be no jail time.

https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/17960002.a...

[quote] On Tuesday, a judge deferred sentence on Emmet until November next year after she agreed to carry out 500 hours of unpaid work with two charities in France, where she lives.

Lord Glennie told Emmet: “You have been convicted by the jury of causing death by dangerous driving. Your victim was in her 80s and possibly quite frail, but that in no way diminishes the sense of loss felt by those close to her.”

The judge said at the High Court in Edinburgh: “The statements I have seen from her son and her daughter confirm that the loss of a loved one, whatever age and state of health, is always a tragedy for family and friends.”

Lord Glennie banned Emmet from driving for three years and ordered she resit a test before driving again.

The judge said he accepted that Emmet’s offending did not feature aggravating issues such as drink or drug driving, driving too fast or using a mobile phone.

Lord Glennie said that the tragedy in Emmet’s case was that she drove on the wrong side of the road approaching a blind corner with another vehicle coming the other way unseen.

He said that Emmet’s previous driving record was exemplary and added: “You have shown remorse which I accept is genuine”.

Lord Glennie told Emmet: “Had you been resident in the UK, I would have considered imposing on you a community payback order with a requirement for you to carry out unpaid work in the community.”

So, somehow the CPS will need to convince the suspect that a jail sentence would not be considered. The US government is going to want her to voluntarily return to the UK, or to a UK-recognised court, and pay the fine, and conduct some community order inside of the US. That way the Immunity of Diplomats still stands, if she decides to waive it, in the knowledge that the sentence will be trivial.

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

If it does come back here, anyone know what the penalty is for accidentally driving on the wrong side of the road leading to death?

Max 14 years in prison currently if found guilty of dangerous, max 5 years if found guilty of careless.

[saaby93]

jsf said:

saaby93 said:

If it does come back here, anyone know what the penalty is for accidentally driving on the wrong side of the road leading to death?

Max 14 years in prison currently if found guilty of dangerous, max 5 years if found guilty of careless.

dangerous would have to be deliberate - go for careless?
https://www.pattersonlaw.co.uk/faqs/driving-wrong-...

[agtlaw]

saaby93 said:

dangerous would have to be deliberate

Wrong. See, for example, the foreign CDDD case posted above.

Edited by agtlaw on Saturday 25th January 07:38

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

To her the right thing will be staying out of prison and raising her children.

I suspect most people given the option would do the same.

Exactly this. It's a shame, in that she'll be portrayed as callous, however I doubt many (perhaps any) would willfully submit to a foreign justice system with a reasonable chance of imprisonment, if we didn't have to.

Doesn't help the friends or relatives of the poor guy she killed, obviously.

[saaby93]

agtlaw said:

saaby93 said:

dangerous would have to be deliberate

Wrong. See, for example, the foreign CDDD case posted above.

ok

[Biker 1]

It seems there will be a trial. Assuming the woman is guilty of careless driving, what would a court normally hand her, assuming she has no 'previous', pleads guilty etc? I'm guessing she may get some points (tricky on a foreign license), some sort of fine/slap on the wrist, & potentially a suspended sentence.
So basically nothing that will directly impact her life. Is that really the 'justice' the lad's parents have been seeking? Or are they after financial 'compensation'??

[saaby93]

Biker 1 said:

It seems there will be a trial. Assuming the woman is guilty of careless driving, what would a court normally hand her, assuming she has no 'previous', pleads guilty etc? I'm guessing she may get some points (tricky on a foreign license), some sort of fine/slap on the wrist, & potentially a suspended sentence.
So basically nothing that will directly impact her life. Is that really the 'justice' the lad's parents have been seeking? Or are they after financial 'compensation'??

thats why our justice system does justice rather than retribution.
However they may well just be seeking her brought before the courts so due process can take place, all the factors taken into account and by the looks of the case half a dozen posts up - some community service

[Biker 1]

saaby93 said:

thats why our justice system does justice rather than retribution.
However they may well just be seeking her brought before the courts so due process can take place, all the factors taken into account and by the looks of the case half a dozen posts up - some community service

At the risk of sounding cynical, I think the parents believe there will be a cash payout......

[vindaloo79]

Biker 1 said:

At the risk of sounding cynical, I think the parents believe there will be a cash payout......

So there should be, imagine turning up for work with all this bks going on in your life. Some settlement may afford them some time to grieve and recover, pay for funeral etc.