Lad killed by US wrong side driver, who's done a bunk...

[Big-Bo-Beep]

g4ry13 said:

It's BS. She's a wife of some diplomat.

In any case, CIA are allowed to kill innocent people in different countries?

The fact is the US don't give a crap about helping anyone other than themselves and furthering their interests. So much for our 'special relationship'.

we have such immunity agreements with many other countries, its all very sad but the family
are being given really suspect legal advice, there's not a chance in hell that this woman
will voluntarily or otherwise , return to the UK to answer for this tragedy. the government knows this,
she has diplomatic immunity, a system which the UK signed up to decades ago.

family need to move on and come to terms with their loss, and short of
a black ops adolph eichmann style kidnapping they have no recourse to force this situation.

[g4ry13]

Thought the whole point all along is that she didn't have diplomatic immunity and was the wife of someone linked to their services and now suddenly she's a CIA operative?

[saaby93]

Earthdweller said:

Reports coming out of the US tonight that the lady involved in this is actually a very senior CIA Officer

Which, if true, puts a very different spin on things and explains why the US are refusing point blank to consider extradition

Report also states that the U.K. Govt are aware that she is a spy although she apparently wasn’t working in the U.K.

But I can understand why the US wouldn’t want a senior CIA agent in Holloway prison

either way wsnt it more obvious than an obvious thing?
There's always been more to this than meets the eye

[anonymous-user]

saaby93 said:

Earthdweller said:

Reports coming out of the US tonight that the lady involved in this is actually a very senior CIA Officer

Which, if true, puts a very different spin on things and explains why the US are refusing point blank to consider extradition

Report also states that the U.K. Govt are aware that she is a spy although she apparently wasn’t working in the U.K.

But I can understand why the US wouldn’t want a senior CIA agent in Holloway prison

either way wsnt it more obvious than an obvious thing?
There's always been more to this than meets the eye

What reports are you basing this on?

[ali_kat]

vaud said:

Earthdweller said:

Reports coming out of the US tonight

Source?

a very quick google gives us

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7982191/a...

[rdjohn]

Big-Bo-Beep said:

family need to move on and come to terms with their loss, and short of
a black ops adolph eichmann style kidnapping they have no recourse to force this situation.

I agree.

The one thing that I would prefer to see come out of this would be for the US to accept that having LHD vehicles driving around their bases on the wrong side of the road, in UK terms, is completely unacceptable to a close ally.

It’s just plain dumb.

[vaud]

rdjohn said:

I agree.

The one thing that I would prefer to see come out of this would be for the US to accept that having LHD vehicles driving around their bases on the wrong side of the road, in UK terms, is completely unacceptable to a close ally.

It’s just plain dumb.

Except they don't. Please can we put this myth to bed. Bases drive on the left hand side. They may have LHD vehicles on import, but they drive on the left.

[poo at Paul's]

Spy, not a spy? Who knows? What we do know is she’s a snivelling chicken st prick

[warch]

Perhaps they should press for trial in absentia. Mind you she won't be able to return to the UK without facing arrest anyway, unless I've misunderstood diplomatic immunity.

[bristolracer]

Big-Bo-Beep said:

family need to move on and come to terms with their loss, and short of
a black ops adolph eichmann style kidnapping they have no recourse to force this situation.

Is there a valid arrest warrant for her?
If she left the US and went to a country we have an extradition treaty with she could end up being arrested and handed over?
Is diplomatic immunity for life?

[98elise]

vaud said:

rdjohn said:

I agree.

The one thing that I would prefer to see come out of this would be for the US to accept that having LHD vehicles driving around their bases on the wrong side of the road, in UK terms, is completely unacceptable to a close ally.

It’s just plain dumb.

Except they don't. Please can we put this myth to bed. Bases drive on the left hand side. They may have LHD vehicles on import, but they drive on the left.

Agreed, all it takes is a simple check on Google earth.

[Frank7]

bristolracer said:

Is there a valid arrest warrant for her?
If she left the US and went to a country we have an extradition treaty with she could end up being arrested and handed over?
Is diplomatic immunity for life?

Sounds good in theory, but if U.K. even had the cojones to go down that route, The Donald would no doubt sanction the offending country to death, while sending a flotilla of gunboats up the Thames to Parliament.

[Earthdweller]

Frank7 said:

Sounds good in theory, but if U.K. even had the cojones to go down that route, The Donald would no doubt sanction the offending country to death, while sending a flotilla of gunboats up the Thames to Parliament.

I don’t think an International Arrest Warrant has been issued

If there was, if she travelled to a friendly country I’d imagine she would travel under Immunity

I really cannot see any “friendly” country arresting someone with Diplomatic credentials

[warch]

In theory she could return to the UK under diplomatic immunity rules and they wouldn't be able to detain her.

I doubt any third party would risk a diplomatic incident with the US by arresting her and extraditing her to the UK.

[Digger]

Hypothetically . . . . What if exactly the same thing happened again to her?

Hypothetically!

[bristolracer]

She will never be able to look her kids in the eye and tell them to do the right thing.

If she had returned and faced justice and shown some remorse she probably would have got a suspended sentence anyway.
Pleaded confusion about driving on the wrong side of the road etc. As it is now she will claim that she wont get a fair trial and shift the blame back here.

[anonymous-user]

PF62 said:

jsf said:

saaby93 said:

If it does come back here, anyone know what the penalty is for accidentally driving on the wrong side of the road leading to death?

Max 14 years in prison currently if found guilty of dangerous, max 5 years if found guilty of careless.

This lady got 24 weeks inside for careless driving after killing someone after driving on the wrong side (and they pleaded guilty at the first opportunity) -

https://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/crime/wom...

https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/17960002.american-tourist-spared-jail-causing-fatal-crash-driving-wrong-side-road/

American tourist pleaded guilty to careless driving, found guilty of dangerous driving, allowed to carry out 500 hours unpaid work outside of the UK. Talk of jail time is ridiculous.

[Stan the Bat]

bristolracer said:

She will never be able to look her kids in the eye and tell them to do the right thing.

If she had returned and faced justice and shown some remorse she probably would have got a suspended sentence anyway.
Pleaded confusion about driving on the wrong side of the road etc. As it is now she will claim that she wont get a fair trial and shift the blame back here.

[rdjohn]

98elise said:

vaud said:

rdjohn said:

I agree.

The one thing that I would prefer to see come out of this would be for the US to accept that having LHD vehicles driving around their bases on the wrong side of the road, in UK terms, is completely unacceptable to a close ally.

It’s just plain dumb.

Except they don't. Please can we put this myth to bed. Bases drive on the left hand side. They may have LHD vehicles on import, but they drive on the left.

Agreed, all it takes is a simple check on Google earth.

My apologies. Thanks for putting me right.

[Glosphil]

So if a British tourist drives on the wrong side of the road in the US and kills an American driver then Donald will call it "An unfortunate accident" and ensure the UK driver can return to the UK with no punishment? Or does "America First" mean maximum punishment?

Edited by Glosphil on Sunday 9th February 17:53