Brexit, what have you learnt
Discussion
Jockman said:
BXP scenario is real. CBA looking at the figures from 2015 but IIRC UKIP received over 3.1m votes in 2015 for 1 MP.
SNP received half of that for circa 20 MPs.
Please don't hold me to the figures but it gives you a flavour of what Farage can tap in to and why, ultimately, CMD was compelled to promise a referendum.
Numbers were right ballpark almost jockers - UKIP 3.88m for 1 seat. SNP 1.45m for 56 seats...SNP received half of that for circa 20 MPs.
Please don't hold me to the figures but it gives you a flavour of what Farage can tap in to and why, ultimately, CMD was compelled to promise a referendum.
Mind you, DUP got 8 seats with just 184k votes (LibDems 2.4m for the same 8 seats).
Glad you're back posting in here. No surprise the "but another referendum will cure it all" crowd ignore your post. "Remain Britain" does not exist. It was a minority view in 2016 by the only actual result we have had and there is no evidence to suggest any sort of material movement in that position.
Anything short of an equally massive turnout to 2016 and a landslide victory by one side or the other will not resolve/"answer" anything. It will further polarise the division.
Nothing has changed with the EU to address the fundamental issues people in this country have with it. In an earlier post GSalt notes that people in other member states have issues with it too and were keen on a close Remain result to prompt change in the EU. Why the flying Fernandes does it take the UK to make a stance to prompt change in the EU?
We've been a thorn in the EU since day 1. Member states have noted they'll miss our balancing position in the EU. Again, why do we need to be the ones doing this?
If the other states don't like it they need to be shouting up loudly too. If they had done 3yrs ago the chances of "change from within" would have been greater and we might not have voted to leave. It didn't. We did.
We also learned that Jo Swinson and her husband got £167,000 from one of George Soros's companies and her husband's company got £3,500,000 from the EU.
Just another example of the vested self interest these politicians have at their core, its no wonder she will do everything in her power
to stop brexit..... https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declar...
Just another example of the vested self interest these politicians have at their core, its no wonder she will do everything in her power
to stop brexit..... https://nyebevannews.co.uk/swinson-fails-to-declar...
amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mothersruin said:
The average punter will still be held in utter contempt
The average punter should not be held in utter contempt, but at the same time, should not be given a vote in a referendum on a vitally important issue. The average punter is no where near bright enough to grasp even the very basics of what he/she is being asked to vote on. If they cannot understand the basics of what power has been ceded to the EU, with whose consent was it ceded?
amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mothersruin said:
The average punter will still be held in utter contempt
The average punter should not be held in utter contempt, but at the same time, should not be given a vote in a referendum on a vitally important issue. The average punter is no where near bright enough to grasp even the very basics of what he/she is being asked to vote on. If they cannot understand the basics of what power has been ceded to the EU, with whose consent was it ceded?
Just look at the tsunami of politically motivated utter bolux spouted by both sides of the Brexit debate - how is anybody expected to make a rational decision over something as big a game changer as this with all that hot air and noise going on?
Lack of trust in the credibility of information available and the barely concealed duplicity of those promoting their version of the alleged facts is the reason I haven't voted for anything or anybody since the turn of the century.
TTwiggy said:
Jaguar steve said:
GSalt said:
Jaguar steve said:
The only person ever to enter the Palace of Westminster with truly honest and noble intentions was Guy Fawkes. 
An English mercenary funded by an enemy foreign power to depose the monarch, destroy the system of government, and incite a religious civil war?That's a strange definition of "honest and noble".
Guy Fawkes was no hero.
Helicopter123 said:
TTwiggy said:
Jaguar steve said:
GSalt said:
Jaguar steve said:
The only person ever to enter the Palace of Westminster with truly honest and noble intentions was Guy Fawkes.
An English mercenary funded by an enemy foreign power to depose the monarch, destroy the system of government, and incite a religious civil war?That's a strange definition of "honest and noble".
Guy Fawkes was no hero.
Don't you realise that the vote that happened a few years ago has undeniably and indubitably confirmed that every celebrated British historical figure, regardless of their own particular place in history, would have of course supported Brexit.
Just thank your lucky stars that Mel Gibson didn't make a film about St George & the Dragon.
Helicopter123 said:
stongle said:
Helicopter123 said:
I've learnt that the true value of a university education is the ability to understand difficult problems, to analyse and to identify spurious information.
Harvard and MIT disagree with your analysis.stongle said:
Really? It's not. But, least I post my sources. Unlike your nonsense. We can go at this for as long as you like, or the longer you make fake and spurious claims about your education, sources etc etc. If you think forum point scoring with no back up works for you, we can keep the pain train coming
No you don’t, you don’t debate or post facts.You have stated elsewhere that remainers need “a slap”, presumably to bring them into line. Do you stand by this?
Who else do you think deserves “a slap”?
Helicopter123 said:
No you don’t, you don’t debate or post facts.
You have stated elsewhere that remainers need “a slap”, presumably to bring them into line. Do you stand by this?
Who else do you think deserves “a slap”?
I suggest you go and read the original post. The slap comments was related to global economic collapse driven by systemic excessive leverage.You have stated elsewhere that remainers need “a slap”, presumably to bring them into line. Do you stand by this?
Who else do you think deserves “a slap”?
It was obviously a metaphor, you arrogant, mis-quoting, vrtual signalling snowflake.
I don't debate or post facts??? Or is the level a bit above the usual Jack and Jill point scoring you revel in. "Oh look idiot on radio = BREXIT supporters are all knuckleheads". Suggest you go round Goldman Sachs and have a word there then (in their new headquarters). I'm sure with the supersized education you have, you can lecture them on the EU benefits of:
Lack of system circuit breakers
Lower capital standards
Non-adherence to IFRS9
Bank holding company aggregation (retail and IB under single holding co) - how to make that legal (and safer than Vickers
The ECB
ISubsidies (tiering, Airbus etc etc)
ESMA (even Mrrt thinks they are a joke)
The EU looses its banking system, their entire corporate system is screwed.
Edited by stongle on Wednesday 16th October 18:46
Edited by stongle on Wednesday 16th October 18:48
amusingduck said:
amusingduck said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mothersruin said:
The average punter will still be held in utter contempt
The average punter should not be held in utter contempt, but at the same time, should not be given a vote in a referendum on a vitally important issue. The average punter is no where near bright enough to grasp even the very basics of what he/she is being asked to vote on. If they cannot understand the basics of what power has been ceded to the EU, with whose consent was it ceded?
A Winner Is You said:
If people are too thick to be given a vote in a referendum, why do we give them a vote in the far bigger decision regarding who will run the country.............?
The at is voting to defer responsibility to others. Referenda are direct democracy.Everybody who voted to leave knew what they voted for. Unfortunately, they all voted for different things. They are almost all likely to be disappointed.
I’ve learnt that the middle-classes are an unreliable
bunch when it comes to judging the politics of the day. Whether it was the Stalin in the 40s/50s or the EU today they get weirdly attached to political ideals like a cat on catnip. The only way to wean them off is a bit of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
bunch when it comes to judging the politics of the day. Whether it was the Stalin in the 40s/50s or the EU today they get weirdly attached to political ideals like a cat on catnip. The only way to wean them off is a bit of Jacob Rees-Mogg.
Edited by fido on Wednesday 16th October 19:37
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