No Christmas parcels.
Discussion
Long story short,From the union, your average postman works 5 days a week so the 6th day of delivery it gets done by a cover postie. They want to get rid of the 6th day delivery so they can get shot of the cover posts, all 20-30k of them.
On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
A500leroy said:
Long story short,From the union, your average postman works 5 days a week so the 6th day of delivery it gets done by a cover postie. They want to get rid of the 6th day delivery so they can get shot of the cover posts, all 20-30k of them.
On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
On the latter point, that will be game over for them realistically. On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
miniman said:
On the latter point, that will be game over for them realistically.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
Digga said:
miniman said:
On the latter point, that will be game over for them realistically.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
A500leroy said:
Long story short,From the union, your average postman works 5 days a week so the 6th day of delivery it gets done by a cover postie. They want to get rid of the 6th day delivery so they can get shot of the cover posts, all 20-30k of them.
On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
Not quite .On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
You have a section of 5 people doing 6 deliveries between them but the parcels will go out later with the postie who used to do the 6th delivery
At present people are leaving and not being replaced , deliveries are being lapsed ( which works fine in the summer as there's not as much mail ) or just not completed as the posties are working more than there contracted hours clearing there own delivery .
The last pay and conditions deal in 2017 possibly 2018 bought in the tracking software on our pda's , these track us from when we leave the office to when we return , if we stop moving then a blob appears and the longer we stop the bigger the blob .
The idea was we're all lazy sods having more than our 40 min break ( no lunch hours for us ) however what's actually happened is staff are now taking there breaks ( we used to work thru them and finish early ) and if there's not time leaving stuff . The management then log into our pda actuals to find out how many breaks we're having to threaten us but finding we're working up to our time .
What the ceo is planning is to carve up royal mail into different ltd companies delivery , processing , distribution then change the terms and conditions at the same time as getting rid of the uso and cherry picking where/when we deliver .
Edited by egor110 on Wednesday 16th October 16:53
miniman said:
Postman brings me junk mail, occasional council / bank / utility stuff that should all be e-mail anyway, and Autocar. The latter is a challenge as frankly one needs some lavatory reading material. But for everything else, specifically packages, pretty much any other delivery works better with pretty much any other carrier. And I include Herpes and Yodel in that actually because even they have been ok recently.
You need a bog iPad. No password, anyone can use it, just s
t and surf. miniman said:
Digga said:
miniman said:
On the latter point, that will be game over for them realistically.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
Delivery choice is a massive factor for consumers and brands are investing heavily in providing options across click & collect, pre-9am, Sat / Sun, evening, deliver to store and heading towards same-day in major cities. There will be plenty of carriers very happy to satisfy that demand, especially if RM are foolish enough to hand it to them on a plate.
Wikki said:
Whistl, formerly TNT Post UK, is a postal delivery company operating in the United Kingdom. The company primarily competes with UK Mail, UPS, Parcelforce, DHL, Hermes, Royal Mail and Yodel.
egor110 said:
A500leroy said:
Long story short,From the union, your average postman works 5 days a week so the 6th day of delivery it gets done by a cover postie. They want to get rid of the 6th day delivery so they can get shot of the cover posts, all 20-30k of them.
On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
Not quite .On top of that they want to take all the parcels off your normal postie and make him do 2 rounds with just letters. Your parcels will then be sent out letter with another courier between 1pm and 6pm. That postie has an average area of 200 miles to cover in that time .If your not in your parcel will be taken to the nearest office open. For some people that could be easily 20-50 miles away, there wont be any leave at post office/supermarket option.
You have a section of 5 people doing 6 deliveries between them but the parcels will go out later with the postie who used to do the 6th delivery
At present people are leaving and not being replaced , deliveries are being lapsed ( which works fine in the summer as there's not as much mail ) or just not completed as the posties are working more than there contracted hours clearing there own delivery .
The last pay and conditions deal in 2017 possibly 2018 bought in the tracking software on our pda's , these track us from when we leave the office to when we return , if we stop moving then a blob appears and the longer we stop the bigger the blob .
The idea was we're all lazy sods having more than our 40 min break ( no lunch hours for us ) however what's actually happened is staff are now taking there breaks ( we used to work thru them and finish early ) and if there's not time leaving stuff . The management then log into our pda actuals to find out how many breaks we're having to threaten us but finding we're working up to our time .
What the ceo is planning is to carve up royal mail into different ltd companies delivery , processing , distribution then change the terms and conditions at the same time as getting rid of the uso and cherry picking where/when we deliver .
Edited by egor110 on Wednesday 16th October 16:53
He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
egor110 said:
The idea was we're all lazy sods having more than our 40 min break ( no lunch hours for us ) however what's actually happened is staff are now taking there breaks ( we used to work thru them and finish early ) and if there's not time leaving stuff . The management then log into our pda actuals to find out how many breaks we're having to threaten us but finding we're working up to our time .
Not sure who is worse here, the company for being obsessed with working to time rather than getting the job done, or the staff for working to time rather than getting the job done. I have a 30 minute lunch break but realistically I can't remember the last time I did anything other than grab a sandwich and keep working. I have no idea how many hours I work because I don't track them, but it's certainly more than I get for and always >50. The way to get ahead is to get the job done regardless, demonstrate the value and progress your career either by demonstrating to your current employer that you are worth more or by buggering off to someone else.
Philplop said:
Royal Mail and Parcelforce have a “No Signature Required” option for senders to use. Senders choose not to use it, even when they write “leave in shed” or similar on the label. If it’s not an official “NSR” label then they can, and do, lose their job for leaving it without a signature.
So it’s unfair to blame RM staff for needing a signature.
I'm not blaming anyone. I am sure there are reasons. Just pointing out the irony of people threatening to stop doing something they aren't currently doing with any great success anyway.So it’s unfair to blame RM staff for needing a signature.
ferrisbueller said:
I've just had a chat with my postie about all this and he provided some clarity.
He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
I can assure you it's correct He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
Im a rep if I have to represent a postie over them not having enough time to complete the delivery, 1st thing management show me are the pda actuals showing where and how long a break they had .
During my time on a blood service mobile collection team I did many visits to corporate venues in London and Essex, everything from the Bank of England, insurance and accountancy firms in the city, local government offices, pharmaceutical manufacturers, car manufacturers research sites, a tractor factory in Basildon. It provided an interesting insight into the atmosphere and working conditions in many places you would not ordinarily expect to visit.
I can honestly say the most depressing place I ever went to, with the most pernicious atmosphere, was a Royal Mail parcel sorting depot in Stratford. The graffiti about management on the walls of the lift were an eyeful to begin with.
As I was on 'meet and greet' duty while there, I spent much of the day at the door of the rooms we had been allocated. A RM manager stood opposite me in the corridor with a clipboard. He explained he was checking that all the guys who had indicated they were donating were indeed turning up, as (he explained) they were a lazy bunch of bds who would say anything in order to skive off. We had never, ever, been to a place where management thought this necessary.
I wasn't too impressed with his description of our donors, so naturally I asked him if his own name was on the list and when he would be coming in. His eyes widened in terror at the prospect, which encouraged me to keep up my efforts to get him inside and roll his sleeve up. Eventually he buggered off somewhere else more comfortable.
I notice from the BBC article that the vote to take action was hardly the work of a militant few. On a turnout of 76%, more than 97% backed striking.
To say the least, management have not been successful in carrying their workforce along with them in the proposed changes. This is hardly indicitive of a modern progressive management style, and frankly, from my experience I am not surprised. Of course the parcel delivery business is undergoing profound changes, but both sides need to be working together to meet the challenges. Antagonising your workforce to this degree is not the way to do it.
I can honestly say the most depressing place I ever went to, with the most pernicious atmosphere, was a Royal Mail parcel sorting depot in Stratford. The graffiti about management on the walls of the lift were an eyeful to begin with.
As I was on 'meet and greet' duty while there, I spent much of the day at the door of the rooms we had been allocated. A RM manager stood opposite me in the corridor with a clipboard. He explained he was checking that all the guys who had indicated they were donating were indeed turning up, as (he explained) they were a lazy bunch of b
ds who would say anything in order to skive off. We had never, ever, been to a place where management thought this necessary.I wasn't too impressed with his description of our donors, so naturally I asked him if his own name was on the list and when he would be coming in. His eyes widened in terror at the prospect, which encouraged me to keep up my efforts to get him inside and roll his sleeve up. Eventually he buggered off somewhere else more comfortable.
I notice from the BBC article that the vote to take action was hardly the work of a militant few. On a turnout of 76%, more than 97% backed striking.
To say the least, management have not been successful in carrying their workforce along with them in the proposed changes. This is hardly indicitive of a modern progressive management style, and frankly, from my experience I am not surprised. Of course the parcel delivery business is undergoing profound changes, but both sides need to be working together to meet the challenges. Antagonising your workforce to this degree is not the way to do it.
miniman said:
egor110 said:
The idea was we're all lazy sods having more than our 40 min break ( no lunch hours for us ) however what's actually happened is staff are now taking there breaks ( we used to work thru them and finish early ) and if there's not time leaving stuff . The management then log into our pda actuals to find out how many breaks we're having to threaten us but finding we're working up to our time .
Not sure who is worse here, the company for being obsessed with working to time rather than getting the job done, or the staff for working to time rather than getting the job done. I have a 30 minute lunch break but realistically I can't remember the last time I did anything other than grab a sandwich and keep working. I have no idea how many hours I work because I don't track them, but it's certainly more than I get for and always >50. The way to get ahead is to get the job done regardless, demonstrate the value and progress your career either by demonstrating to your current employer that you are worth more or by buggering off to someone else.
If I take on a job and the hours are 730-330 then that's what the duty structure should be based on .
Plenty of us are quite happy with the pay for a flat week with no overtime, the days of us doing 12 hour days ended in the mid 2000's.
egor110 said:
ferrisbueller said:
I've just had a chat with my postie about all this and he provided some clarity.
He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
I can assure you it's correct He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
Im a rep if I have to represent a postie over them not having enough time to complete the delivery, 1st thing management show me are the pda actuals showing where and how long a break they had .
ferrisbueller said:
egor110 said:
ferrisbueller said:
I've just had a chat with my postie about all this and he provided some clarity.
He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
I can assure you it's correct He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
Im a rep if I have to represent a postie over them not having enough time to complete the delivery, 1st thing management show me are the pda actuals showing where and how long a break they had .
If your postie brings stuff back they'll look how long a break he had then they'll look how often he stopped for 10-15 mins , was he delivering or were they crafty extra breaks
miniman said:
egor110 said:
The idea was we're all lazy sods having more than our 40 min break ( no lunch hours for us ) however what's actually happened is staff are now taking there breaks ( we used to work thru them and finish early ) and if there's not time leaving stuff . The management then log into our pda actuals to find out how many breaks we're having to threaten us but finding we're working up to our time .
Not sure who is worse here, the company for being obsessed with working to time rather than getting the job done, or the staff for working to time rather than getting the job done. I have a 30 minute lunch break but realistically I can't remember the last time I did anything other than grab a sandwich and keep working. I have no idea how many hours I work because I don't track them, but it's certainly more than I get for and always >50. The way to get ahead is to get the job done regardless, demonstrate the value and progress your career either by demonstrating to your current employer that you are worth more or by buggering off to someone else.
How daft do you have to be to work more hours than you are paid for, all you are doing is selling your skills for less than they are worth ... rather counter-intuitive.
The way to get ahead is to demonstrate that you can get the job done, correct, but if you are underestimating the workload or over estimating your capability, neither puts you In a good light.
I do my hours, pretty much on the dot, actually I'm 31 and just dropped to 4 days a week (same pay) ensuring the workload i am assigned is matched perfectly to my available capacity.
Live your life, imagine spending more time than you have too in work.
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