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egor110 said:
ferrisbueller said:
egor110 said:
ferrisbueller said:
I've just had a chat with my postie about all this and he provided some clarity.
He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
I can assure you it's correct He also suggested that the pda system is somewhat different to the way it is portrayed to the above. Perhaps he's on a different system....
Im a rep if I have to represent a postie over them not having enough time to complete the delivery, 1st thing management show me are the pda actuals showing where and how long a break they had .
If your postie brings stuff back they'll look how long a break he had then they'll look how often he stopped for 10-15 mins , was he delivering or were they crafty extra breaks
Being able to access data if there are reasonable grounds to do so, yes. Active monitoring and regular chats about it, nope. I'll ask a couple of the others when I see them.
From my experience from postie days. It was an even split between management who would scrimp, scrounge and do anything they can to screw over posties but on the other side there were alot of useless posties who were doing the skiving around and doing little work.
Remember an old timer telling me everyone was gutted when they got vans instead of bikes because the amount of work went up and he couldnt be in the pub by 12 and show up back at the office at 2pm.
I had issues with a delivery duty that usain bolt could not do in the allotted 5 hours, I also had other duties to do on top of my delivery route (sorting another posties frame for delivery that day, and those annoying door 2 doors (unaddressed junk mail) but was given no time to do them, Just a shrug of the shoulders from management that it needs done as does the delivery route. As soon as i mentioned it wasn't possible, My performance, time etc was then under the microscope waiting for any chance they could to pull me up about it. I had overtime scratched off without notification, So had to meticulously study pay slips to see if they had even paid me.
On the flip side of this though, There were the old timers from the proper years of union days who would take any chance to down tools and refuse to do things, One postie on a rural duty (mainly in a van out in nowhere) was often spotted with his van outside his house at 1pm and he would then come precisely back in at 3pm when he was due to finish. The guys that came in at 3pm during the week, On a saturday could miraculously be done quicker, They knew the managers left around 1pm, They would make sure to come in not long after and change some sign out times.
When routes got recalculated, Old timers were smart enough to oversell their already short delivery routes to make sure they had even less to deliver to.
this was all 7/8 years ago now but the impression I got was its very much a usual management vs staff workplace, with both sides having their problems and a union that likes a strike. although not as much as train drivers.
Remember an old timer telling me everyone was gutted when they got vans instead of bikes because the amount of work went up and he couldnt be in the pub by 12 and show up back at the office at 2pm.
I had issues with a delivery duty that usain bolt could not do in the allotted 5 hours, I also had other duties to do on top of my delivery route (sorting another posties frame for delivery that day, and those annoying door 2 doors (unaddressed junk mail) but was given no time to do them, Just a shrug of the shoulders from management that it needs done as does the delivery route. As soon as i mentioned it wasn't possible, My performance, time etc was then under the microscope waiting for any chance they could to pull me up about it. I had overtime scratched off without notification, So had to meticulously study pay slips to see if they had even paid me.
On the flip side of this though, There were the old timers from the proper years of union days who would take any chance to down tools and refuse to do things, One postie on a rural duty (mainly in a van out in nowhere) was often spotted with his van outside his house at 1pm and he would then come precisely back in at 3pm when he was due to finish. The guys that came in at 3pm during the week, On a saturday could miraculously be done quicker, They knew the managers left around 1pm, They would make sure to come in not long after and change some sign out times.
When routes got recalculated, Old timers were smart enough to oversell their already short delivery routes to make sure they had even less to deliver to.
this was all 7/8 years ago now but the impression I got was its very much a usual management vs staff workplace, with both sides having their problems and a union that likes a strike. although not as much as train drivers.
Edited by paulwoof on Thursday 17th October 13:49
Roofless Toothless said:
Lord.Vader said:
How daft do you have to be to work more hours than you are paid for, all you are doing is selling your skills for less than they are worth ... rather counter-intuitive.
I think you could ask just about everybody in the NHS that question.ferrisbueller said:
Roofless Toothless said:
Lord.Vader said:
How daft do you have to be to work more hours than you are paid for, all you are doing is selling your skills for less than they are worth ... rather counter-intuitive.
I think you could ask just about everybody in the NHS that question.paulwoof said:
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this was all 7/8 years ago now but the impression I got was its very much a usual management vs staff workplace, with both sides having their problems and a union that likes a strike. although not as much as train drivers.
When my OH worked there it did all seem a bit like an old episode of 'On the Buses'. this was all 7/8 years ago now but the impression I got was its very much a usual management vs staff workplace, with both sides having their problems and a union that likes a strike. although not as much as train drivers.
ferrisbueller said:
Interesting. His view on this was very different. He didn't see it as a problem but could give examples of where it had, rightfully, been a problem for some other people.
Being able to access data if there are reasonable grounds to do so, yes. Active monitoring and regular chats about it, nope. I'll ask a couple of the others when I see them.
When you see him next ask him if he has actually dealt with the pda actuals or he's just going on what he's heard.Being able to access data if there are reasonable grounds to do so, yes. Active monitoring and regular chats about it, nope. I'll ask a couple of the others when I see them.
Obviously I've actually seen the data , ie postie says he can't do extra because there isn't time when his data shows he was home for a hour .
paulwoof said:
From my experience from postie days. It was an even split between management who would scrimp, scrounge and do anything they can to screw over posties but on the other side there were alot of useless posties who were doing the skiving around and doing little work.
Remember an old timer telling me everyone was gutted when they got vans instead of bikes because the amount of work went up and he couldnt be in the pub by 12 and show up back at the office at 2pm.
I had issues with a delivery duty that usain bolt could not do in the allotted 5 hours, I also had other duties to do on top of my delivery route (sorting another posties frame for delivery that day, and those annoying door 2 doors (unaddressed junk mail) but was given no time to do them, Just a shrug of the shoulders from management that it needs done as does the delivery route. As soon as i mentioned it wasn't possible, My performance, time etc was then under the microscope waiting for any chance they could to pull me up about it. I had overtime scratched off without notification, So had to meticulously study pay slips to see if they had even paid me.
On the flip side of this though, There were the old timers from the proper years of union days who would take any chance to down tools and refuse to do things, One postie on a rural duty (mainly in a van out in nowhere) was often spotted with his van outside his house at 1pm and he would then come precisely back in at 3pm when he was due to finish. The guys that came in at 3pm during the week, On a saturday could miraculously be done quicker, They knew the managers left around 1pm, They would make sure to come in not long after and change some sign out times.
When routes got recalculated, Old timers were smart enough to oversell their already short delivery routes to make sure they had even less to deliver to.
this was all 7/8 years ago now but the impression I got was its very much a usual management vs staff workplace, with both sides having their problems and a union that likes a strike. although not as much as train drivers.
Your experience is out of date .Remember an old timer telling me everyone was gutted when they got vans instead of bikes because the amount of work went up and he couldnt be in the pub by 12 and show up back at the office at 2pm.
I had issues with a delivery duty that usain bolt could not do in the allotted 5 hours, I also had other duties to do on top of my delivery route (sorting another posties frame for delivery that day, and those annoying door 2 doors (unaddressed junk mail) but was given no time to do them, Just a shrug of the shoulders from management that it needs done as does the delivery route. As soon as i mentioned it wasn't possible, My performance, time etc was then under the microscope waiting for any chance they could to pull me up about it. I had overtime scratched off without notification, So had to meticulously study pay slips to see if they had even paid me.
On the flip side of this though, There were the old timers from the proper years of union days who would take any chance to down tools and refuse to do things, One postie on a rural duty (mainly in a van out in nowhere) was often spotted with his van outside his house at 1pm and he would then come precisely back in at 3pm when he was due to finish. The guys that came in at 3pm during the week, On a saturday could miraculously be done quicker, They knew the managers left around 1pm, They would make sure to come in not long after and change some sign out times.
When routes got recalculated, Old timers were smart enough to oversell their already short delivery routes to make sure they had even less to deliver to.
this was all 7/8 years ago now but the impression I got was its very much a usual management vs staff workplace, with both sides having their problems and a union that likes a strike. although not as much as train drivers.
Edited by paulwoof on Thursday 17th October 13:49
We're now monitored from leaving the depot , if we stop for longer than a minute and when we return to the depot .
No way the old timers could keep there job so they can finish early .
egor110 said:
Your experience is out of date .
We're now monitored from leaving the depot , if we stop for longer than a minute and when we return to the depot .
No way the old timers could keep there job so they can finish early .
Egor, most posting on here have no idea the hard work a postie does nor how they are monitored and I bet many wouldn't do the job. If you guys go on strike it will be for a good reason. We're now monitored from leaving the depot , if we stop for longer than a minute and when we return to the depot .
No way the old timers could keep there job so they can finish early .
As I said, my time was a fair bit ago now, The layabouts, skivers whatever you want to refer to them, very well may have finally been beaten into submission. They were mainly the old timers from the days of bikes, the old LDV high tops that would nearly blow over in the wind. They do seem to have been replaced with a much younger looking workforce these days.
But again from my experience, We had union reps, meetings, where everyone complained and moaned how unfairly they were treated etc. While simultaneously having layabouts out of sight, under valuing duty lengths, even had parcel guys ditching parcels into the regular yorkie, if theyre still called yorkies? I dno. Basically, They all gave the sob story etc, but were quite happily to screw over other posties to make their lives easier.
From speaking to a couple of guys since I left, They said the management are still much more akin to headmasters than managers. Nice postie used to leave my parcels hidden for me, Now doesnt do so as managers were cracking down on anyone doing so.
But again from my experience, We had union reps, meetings, where everyone complained and moaned how unfairly they were treated etc. While simultaneously having layabouts out of sight, under valuing duty lengths, even had parcel guys ditching parcels into the regular yorkie, if theyre still called yorkies? I dno. Basically, They all gave the sob story etc, but were quite happily to screw over other posties to make their lives easier.
From speaking to a couple of guys since I left, They said the management are still much more akin to headmasters than managers. Nice postie used to leave my parcels hidden for me, Now doesnt do so as managers were cracking down on anyone doing so.
paulwoof said:
As I said, my time was a fair bit ago now, The layabouts, skivers whatever you want to refer to them, very well may have finally been beaten into submission. They were mainly the old timers from the days of bikes, the old LDV high tops that would nearly blow over in the wind. They do seem to have been replaced with a much younger looking workforce these days.
But again from my experience, We had union reps, meetings, where everyone complained and moaned how unfairly they were treated etc. While simultaneously having layabouts out of sight, under valuing duty lengths, even had parcel guys ditching parcels into the regular yorkie, if theyre still called yorkies? I dno. Basically, They all gave the sob story etc, but were quite happily to screw over other posties to make their lives easier.
From speaking to a couple of guys since I left, They said the management are still much more akin to headmasters than managers. Nice postie used to leave my parcels hidden for me, Now doesnt do so as managers were cracking down on anyone doing so.
It's going to be a interesting xmas .But again from my experience, We had union reps, meetings, where everyone complained and moaned how unfairly they were treated etc. While simultaneously having layabouts out of sight, under valuing duty lengths, even had parcel guys ditching parcels into the regular yorkie, if theyre still called yorkies? I dno. Basically, They all gave the sob story etc, but were quite happily to screw over other posties to make their lives easier.
From speaking to a couple of guys since I left, They said the management are still much more akin to headmasters than managers. Nice postie used to leave my parcels hidden for me, Now doesnt do so as managers were cracking down on anyone doing so.
I've been here 30 years and it's gone from getting students in doing sorting so the posties can get out on deliveries to what we have now where there idea of managing is just expecting staff to come in early and stay out late.
I'm not so sure that's going to happen this year .
So we've got airline staff and airport workers fecking up everybody else's summer holidays because they were forced into it and had no other choice. Now we've got postal workers fecking up Christmas because they are being forced into it and they have no other choice.
I think St. Valentine's Day will be on February 14th next year, in case there are any chefs or waiters reading this thread.
I think St. Valentine's Day will be on February 14th next year, in case there are any chefs or waiters reading this thread.
hutchst said:
So we've got airline staff and airport workers fecking up everybody else's summer holidays because they were forced into it and had no other choice. Now we've got postal workers fecking up Christmas because they are being forced into it and they have no other choice.
I think St. Valentine's Day will be on February 14th next year, in case there are any chefs or waiters reading this thread.
How are posties up xmas ?I think St. Valentine's Day will be on February 14th next year, in case there are any chefs or waiters reading this thread.
There are umpteen other deliver companies you can use .
egor110 said:
ferrisbueller said:
Interesting. His view on this was very different. He didn't see it as a problem but could give examples of where it had, rightfully, been a problem for some other people.
Being able to access data if there are reasonable grounds to do so, yes. Active monitoring and regular chats about it, nope. I'll ask a couple of the others when I see them.
When you see him next ask him if he has actually dealt with the pda actuals or he's just going on what he's heard.Being able to access data if there are reasonable grounds to do so, yes. Active monitoring and regular chats about it, nope. I'll ask a couple of the others when I see them.
Obviously I've actually seen the data , ie postie says he can't do extra because there isn't time when his data shows he was home for a hour .
k about buying presents and getting deliveries etc. Just get the family/friends together for a winter feast.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff