The end of the Union, who'll go first?

The end of the Union, who'll go first?

Poll: The end of the Union, who'll go first?

Total Members Polled: 242

Northern Ireland: 20%
Scotland: 48%
That London: 5%
Berwick-upon-Tweed: 3%
ger way son, stop batherin' we're reet: 25%
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Countdown

24,762 posts

143 months

Saturday 19th October
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Short Grain said:
Hopefully Scotland, not because of the people, their great.

Purely so we don't have to listen to the Poison Dwarf anymore!
Hasn't she been elected by those great people?

Ayahuasca

24,112 posts

226 months

Saturday 19th October
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The Scottish could always get their Darien colony going again. It is pretty much exactly as they left it.

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bloomen

2,863 posts

106 months

Saturday 19th October
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One thing I've learnt from exploring and learning about NI is that any outsider doesn't really have a hope in hell of understanding anything about it. They may as well be dolphins.

NI seems like the more straightforward candidate on paper, it's not as if the rest of the UK gives much of a toss about it, but I wouldn't dare attempt to guess the depth of feeling there about the union, or the republic's lack of desire to take it on.

Thorodin

2,323 posts

80 months

Saturday 19th October
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What makes you think the Republic don't want to take it on? Now, at least? The Republicans do.

pghstochaj

163 posts

66 months

Saturday 19th October
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uk66fastback said:
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They don't want to be ruled by London, but want to be ruled by Brussels (if they get back in). Jeanette Krankie is clinically insane.
I never understand why people go for this sound bite. Surely people understand that there’s a difference in control and rule placed upon Scotland as part of the United Kingdom, versus the control and rule placed upon Scotland as a member of the EU? They’re two different things entirely and share little in common other than in basic concept.

Just because you don’t want to be controlled by Westminster doesn’t necessarily mean you can’t see the benefit in being part of the EU? Note of course that Scotland is already in the EU so by leaving the UK and rejoining the UK means that that it’s only “controlled” by one third party and not two.

I don’t agree with Scotland leaving but I understand why an argument can be made for leaving the UK whilst still wanting to be part of the EU.

Budflicker

3,308 posts

131 months

Saturday 19th October
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So I posted the below earlier in another thread which was completely ignored by all,


Does anybody really care about Northern Ireland being in the UK or not?

Unless you live there and would prefer to stay British who cares.

Yes I know people will say, what about the troubles and the threat of terrorism, but should we really bow to the threat, and also modern tech and surveillance would make it very tricky for the provo"s to reassemble in anything near their old form.

Let's give it back to Eire and let them deal with it.

That's the border issue sorted, and I bet 95% of people in the rest of the UK would care less.

bloomen

2,863 posts

106 months

Saturday 19th October
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Thorodin said:
What makes you think the Republic don't want to take it on? Now, at least? The Republicans do.
Expense, ball ache, accommodating the people the place was created to keep a lid on in the first place. No matter what there'd be a very vocal unionist presence suddenly materialising in Dublin's politics who'd be totally alien to everything it had stood for since creation.

If I were the ruler of the land I'd keep things as is for the sake of a quiet life. It might not be ideal but it rubs along adequately enough. Maybe circumstances will force it no matter what.


Budflicker said:
Does anybody really care about Northern Ireland being in the UK or not?
I've asked quite a few non Northern Irish out of curiosity as to what they'd say. None of them give the slightest st.

Lily the Pink

2,344 posts

117 months

Saturday 19th October
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Budflicker said:
That's the border issue sorted, and I bet 95% of people in the rest of the UK would not care less.
FTFY - unless you're American.

Johnnytheboy

18,742 posts

133 months

Saturday 19th October
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Someone on Radio 4 suggested that NI could actually end up being in a very favourable economic position if this deal goes through.

By being both in the EU and in the UK it would become a great place for non EU companies to site their European operations.

Perhaps the government should bribe NI with some kind of pro-business tax regime to make this even more attractive...?

stongle

1,950 posts

109 months

Saturday 19th October
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Johnnytheboy said:
Someone on Radio 4 suggested that NI could actually end up being in a very favourable economic position if this deal goes through.

By being both in the EU and in the UK it would become a great place for non EU companies to site their European operations.

Perhaps the government should bribe NI with some kind of pro-business tax regime to make this even more attractive...?
Nah, they're just waiting for Ireland to lose Vs the EU in its corporation tax case.

CAPP0

15,474 posts

150 months

Saturday 19th October
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Mabbs9 said:
Watch how many times she raises the idea of another referendum
I said this on another thread, she trots out Ref2 with really boring regularity and for the most specious reasons.

Cat stuck up a tree in Bognor Regis? This clearly demonstrates the need for another indyref. etc etc.

Halb

Original Poster:

49,809 posts

130 months

Saturday 19th October
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Jasey_ said:
Halb said:
Jasey_ said:
Boris could build a wall and make the scotch pay for it.
Or the Newcy brown ale.
Buckfast smile
Yorkshire bitter!

Talisker

1,785 posts

145 months

Sunday 20th October
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Isaac Hunt said:
I wouldn't worry if Scotland went. I am fed up of Scottish people banging on how great Scotland is when they live in the UK. If it is that great, why do they like be in England.

The 2nd most obnoxious person in my village is Scottish. I would vote for Scotland to leave, but not Wales as I have close ties with Wales and I like the Welsh.
Fixed that for you

Cantaloupe

680 posts

7 months

Sunday 20th October
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Judging by the replies It seems to be a surprise to many English that they are actually in a political and cultural union.

To the arrogant and insular Englanders, England IS Britain, England IS the UK.

Witness their plaintive, pathetic bleating when God Save The Queen was taken away from them as their
national anthem.

But it's ours, it's England, it's English, the queen is English [ with a bit of German obvs ] laugh

Cold

7,709 posts

37 months

Sunday 20th October
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Cantaloupe said:
Judging by the replies It seems to be a surprise to many English that they are actually in a political and cultural union.

To the arrogant and insular Englanders, England IS Britain, England IS the UK.

Witness their plaintive, pathetic bleating when God Save The Queen was taken away from them as their
national anthem.

But it's ours, it's England, it's English, the queen is English [ with a bit of German obvs ] laugh
Nice try.

Budflicker

3,308 posts

131 months

Sunday 20th October
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Lily the Pink said:
Budflicker said:
That's the border issue sorted, and I bet 95% of people in the rest of the UK would not care less.
FTFY - unless you're American.
Typical PH, the best someone can contribute is a spelling error.

GadgeS3C

4,120 posts

111 months

Sunday 20th October
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Johnnytheboy said:
Someone on Radio 4 suggested that NI could actually end up being in a very favourable economic position if this deal goes through.

By being both in the EU and in the UK it would become a great place for non EU companies to site their European operations.

Perhaps the government should bribe NI with some kind of pro-business tax regime to make this even more attractive...?
Aside the difficult politic issues I think there is a massive business opportunity for all of the island of Ireland in this.

I don't pretend to understand the political issues and consequences but they'll be some smart cookies in NI and Ireland looking at the business opportunity and rubbing their hands. Played well, maybe that's a way for NI and Ireland to gain benefit of the current arrangements and proposals.

Please don't flame me on the political side, it's a bloody huge issue. Tried to be careful in my wording but just a dumb observation from an English type that knows nothing... getmecoat

Johnnytheboy

18,742 posts

133 months

Sunday 20th October
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Exactly, if the Unionists had any brain they would be trying to get some kind of business tax break out of Boris for backing his deal, not just a lump of "investment".

JustALooseScrew

659 posts

14 months

Sunday 20th October
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Pesty said:
Peoples republic of Yorkshire

Everybody sing our national anthem

Wheear 'as ta bin sin ah saw thee,
On Ilkla Moor baht 'at?!
Wheear 'as ta bin sin ah saw thee?
Bring it on, my birth cert and passport would get me back in there.

Last time I was over there I bought my son one of these:


Sorted!

Coolbanana

2,396 posts

147 months

Sunday 20th October
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Brexit has certainly emboldened the closet BNP apologists to come out, if not in actual Public, but in Forums like this, as they argue for Leave and the destruction of the UK.

Traitors to Great Britain, Little Englander's, Society's failures seeking fascist comradeship - fawning over Boris who fits the type of Leader they would follow.

PH NP&E is a good window into that horrible place, the decrepit underbelly of England. Fascinating, in its own way. smile