Vegan Snowflakes
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ZedLeg said:
hutchst said:
Extinction Rebellion is starting to make sense now, extinction is fine, even desirable, as long as it's not us.
This population of animals should never have existed in the first place. It's not wiping out a natural environment, it's correcting a man made problem. Most domesticated farm animals still have wild equivalents that would carry on as they always have.People are quick to jump to human overpopulation as a big problem but no one ever mentions the 10s of billions of animals we breed due to our ever increasing consumption of cheap meat.
It would decline even faster, along with other sources of pollution, were the human population to be reduced.
We could perhaps start with ER members?
Thesprucegoose said:
otolith said:
No s
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They're animals. But they aren't sentient.
Fungi aren't animals. You mentioned bivale which are molluscs nothing to do with Fungi, I guess you got confused and used the wrong term. Maybe you are thinking Fungi are Bivalvia which they are not.t.They're animals. But they aren't sentient.
Actually, I was responding to this;
otolith said:
Davos123 said:
RTB said:
Ironically fungi are more closely related to animals than plants. 
They are more related to plants in the way which matters for veganism - sentience. otolith said:
Specifically the suggestion that what was important was sentience, not taxonomy. Because if that was true, there would be no mainstream vegan objection to eating animals like bivalves which lack sentience. Which is clearly not the case.
This article basically sums up my feeling on it: https://medium.com/@jd.feliz/the-case-for-vegans-e...There is plenty of debate on this in mainstream veganism, fyi.
otolith said:
to eating animals like bivalves which lack sentience. Which is clearly not the case.
For somone with a Phd, stating bivalves lack sentience, is a strong statment considering it is not fully conclusive. They posses ganglia, so they have less of sentience but do not fully lack it.
ZedLeg said:
Vegetarians would usually eat dairy and maybe eggs. Vegans try not to use anything that comes from an animal.
Yes I know, I should have phrased it better. Basically is a veggie eats a tomato from surrey, a vegan isn't really going to order one from italy. I don't think lumping the ridiculous situation of the west's food chain (lamb from new zealand, beef from argentina as examples) onto one group is feasible, since the entire modern western food chain is guilty, and being copied by others now.Edited by Halb on Thursday 24th October 18:33
Halb said:
Yes I know, I should have phrased it better. Basically is a veggie eats a tomato from surrey, a vegan isn't really going to order one from italy. I don't think lumping the ridiculous place of the world's food siltation (lamb from new zealand, beef from argentina as examples) onto one group is feasible, since the entire modern western food chain is guilty, and being copied by others now.
It's also even more complicated because sometimes the carbon footprint of imported foods is lower than other homegrown crops (apparently, read it in some article a while ago).What is obvious is that a vegan diet doesn't necessitate a higher carbon footprint than a vegetarian one, though.
foxbody-87 said:
My brother in law isn’t a vegan but he’s one of these “I’m just trying to eat less meat” people. Last week we had to make him a separate meal because he wouldn’t eat chicken. Two days later he sat and ate a pepperoni pizza in front of us!
But he didn't eat the chicken? So he is eating less meat? Which is all he is trying to do? foxbody-87 said:
My brother in law isn’t a vegan but he’s one of these “I’m just trying to eat less meat” people. Last week we had to make him a separate meal because he wouldn’t eat chicken. Two days later he sat and ate a pepperoni pizza in front of us!
Maybe he was heading for an entirely meat-free day or week or something and didn’t want to spoil it? In any case I’d question the legitimacy of declining a home-made poultry dinner which is probably UK reared and has a relatively low environmental impact and then eating big ole slices of imported pork of dubious origin...
Would be interesting to know if he’s eating less meat for ethical or environmental reasons?
I am a ‘trying to eat less meat’ person, but there’s no way I’m allowing somebody to cook me a veggie meal especially, and I’m highly unlikely to order a veggie starter and main or a takeaway.
ZedLeg said:
Much better to keep an unsustainable population of animals that would've never existed in nature then. Even better keep them in confined conditions until the very second they hit a profitable weight then kill them anyway. Why not destroy natural habitat by the thousands of acres to stack them up in as well.
And no natural habitat is destroyed for crop production?Ever thought instead of simplifying it to meat vs plant it would be better to focus on ensuring whatever you eat is sustainable, humane and has low impact to the environment. Because there is a lot of food that gets the vegan pass that does none of this.
HustleRussell said:
It’s a complex issue but one thing is for sure, the developed world consumes far too much meat and red meat in particular which happens to be the kind with the highest environmental impact. This is a fact.
It's fact if you follow the side of the story presented by payroll 'scientists' in the mainstream. Otherwise it is very far from a fact. Red meat consumption is also falling, yet apparently it's rising. Facts? Chance would be a fine thing 
HustleRussell said:
It’s a complex issue but one thing is for sure, the developed world consumes far too much meat and red meat in particular which happens to be the kind with the highest environmental impact. This is a fact.
I'm not going to give up meat any time soon. It's the most efficient way to take nutrition on board & tastes fking great!How many acres of farmland/cow feed = 1 cow? How many acres farmland does it take to feed a vegan? Weight-for-weight, I wonder...
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