Vegan Snowflakes

[vdn]

21TonyK said:

I watched Game Changers the other day...

Here... eat a vegan wrap and ,../... it's made your c*k bigger LOL

That'll convince most people

[gregs656]

Mothersruin said:

Lamb/Mutton, or even goat, is a staple in many markets. Odd that.

India is the biggest consumer of goat, and also one of the lowest average consumers of meat per person.

Have you looked at the study? You obviously have some point to make, why not just make it?

[Mothersruin]

gregs656 said:

Mothersruin said:

Lamb/Mutton, or even goat, is a staple in many markets. Odd that.

India is the biggest consumer of goat, and also one of the lowest average consumers of meat per person.

Have you looked at the study? You obviously have some point to make, why not just make it?

Jesus you're super fking jumpy aren't you?

It was mentioned that Lamb wasn't there, I made my comment that it's used widely and it's odd that it's not mentioned in the tables. Like @SamR380, I didn't read the table correctly either and missed that it was included in teh headline figure.

Do you find yourself having punch ups in empty rooms, or is it just here?

[gregs656]

It makes more sense now you have made your point clearer. I am sorry I didn't interpret your vague post in the way you intended.

[Mothersruin]

Mothersruin said:

SamR380 said:

I guess they haven;t included lamb because worldwide there isn't such a big market for it. Every other analsys I have seen shows lamb to be the worst of all in greenhouse gas emmissions.

Edited by SamR380 on Friday 25th October 13:09

Lamb/Mutton, or even goat, is a staple in many markets. Odd that.

Really, that unclear?

My apologies.

Edited by Mothersruin on Friday 25th October 14:50

[LordGrover]

Cows and sheep in this country are not routinely fed corn in industrial feedlots, as is often shown in shockumentaries.
They are grown on grassland where they eat grass and other plant life as well as the odd insect or two. This grassland is not fit for agriculture, it's good only for grazing cows and sheep. In Winter months especially if snow yes, they are sometimes given cereal/pellets as well as silage.

The millions of acres of monoculture which prevails in industrial crops harms far more life than any well managed and sustainable livestock.

The land is denuded and oil based fertilisers are added as well as pesticides. Nothing else is tolerated except the precious potatoes, corn or cabbages. Everything from the bacteria and microbes to insects and earthworms to voles and rabbits up to deer and foxes are all exterminated as pests.

Cows eat grass and st manure.

[ZedLeg]

Feedlot style farming is starting to creep in here.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/2...

[LordGrover]

Now that is concerning.

[Kenny Powers]

LordGrover said:

Now that is concerning.

It is. I think we would all agree with that. No one, vegans or otherwise, wants animals to be kept in cruel and unhealthy conditions.

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

[Castrol for a knave]

LordGrover said:

Cows and sheep in this country are not routinely fed corn in industrial feedlots, as is often shown in shockumentaries.
They are grown on grassland where they eat grass and other plant life as well as the odd insect or two. This grassland is not fit for agriculture, it's good only for grazing cows and sheep. In Winter months especially if snow yes, they are sometimes given cereal/pellets as well as silage.

The millions of acres of monoculture which prevails in industrial crops harms far more life than any well managed and sustainable livestock.

The land is denuded and oil based fertilisers are added as well as pesticides. Nothing else is tolerated except the precious potatoes, corn or cabbages. Everything from the bacteria and microbes to insects and earthworms to voles and rabbits up to deer and foxes are all exterminated as pests.

Cows eat grass and st manure.

A lot of the shock videos posted by vegan mates on FB tend to err towards dubious US and Far East farming practices. Nothing like the rather pissed off soggy cows and sheep I can see out of my window right now.

The same "poor murdered babies" videos do not convert people, in the same way ranty street preachers do not make you Pentecostal.

[ZedLeg]

Kenny Powers said:

LordGrover said:

Now that is concerning.

It is. I think we would all agree with that. No one, vegans or otherwise, wants animals to be kept in cruel and unhealthy conditions.

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

Those millenial vegans killing another industry .

[SamR380]

MiseryStreak said:

SamR380 said:

Edit to add...


Pretty clear to see that beef is a problem. Chicken, not so much.
I guess they haven;t included lamb because worldwide there isn't such a big market for it. Every other analsys I have seen shows lamb to be the worst of all in greenhouse gas emmissions.

Edited by SamR380 on Friday 25th October 13:09

Lamb is at the top with Beef - ‘Beef/Mutton’.

They haven’t included fish or shellfish on there. I’ve been a pescatarian for three years now after 36 years of eating meat. I didn’t do it for environmental reasons but saw this as a bonus. I was surprised to read that prawns (one of my favourite protein sources) have a higher CO2 footprint than chicken.

If anyone is considering going veggie I would highly recommend going pescatarian first. I couldn’t believe how easy I found it. I stopped missing bacon after a couple of weeks and now find the idea of eating a ground up pig quite disgusting.

I’m now thinking about going vegan for a month to test it out. I already drink oat milk so that’s tea and coffee covered. The hardest thing by far is going to eggs. I absolutely loved my poached eggs on a weekend. I might have to keep my own chickens and then I can eat the eggs as I know the chickens aren’t being tortured.

I think lamb has a significantly different environmental impact to mutton or goat, hence me making the separate point.

I'm vegan with a small 'v' and I try not to get caught up in all the social media 'group think'. I'm not totally opposed to the idea of keeping chickens for eggs, particularly if they're rescued from the blender after their productivity drops below the battery farm's threshold.

[Kenny Powers]

ZedLeg said:

Kenny Powers said:

LordGrover said:

Now that is concerning.

It is. I think we would all agree with that. No one, vegans or otherwise, wants animals to be kept in cruel and unhealthy conditions.

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

Those millenial vegans killing another industry .

Those are your words, not mine. But if we distill it down, I don’t think many cattle farmers are trying to destroy their own industry.

[HustleRussell]

Kenny Powers said:

ZedLeg said:

Kenny Powers said:

LordGrover said:

Now that is concerning.

It is. I think we would all agree with that. No one, vegans or otherwise, wants animals to be kept in cruel and unhealthy conditions.

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

Those millenial vegans killing another industry .

Those are your words, not mine. But if we distill it down, I don’t think many cattle farmers are trying to destroy their own industry.

It's a shame all of that pasture can't be utilized for any purpose other than meat production really, isn't it

[Kenny Powers]

HustleRussell said:

It's a shame all of that pasture can't be utilized for any purpose other than meat production really, isn't it

From your perspective, maybe.

[ZedLeg]

Kenny Powers said:

ZedLeg said:

Kenny Powers said:

LordGrover said:

Now that is concerning.

It is. I think we would all agree with that. No one, vegans or otherwise, wants animals to be kept in cruel and unhealthy conditions.

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

Those millenial vegans killing another industry .

Those are your words, not mine. But if we distill it down, I don’t think many cattle farmers are trying to destroy their own industry.

I would say chasing quick profit over quality and sustainability is doing the reputation of their industry more harm than anything I might say. Obviously I'm not saying all beef farmers are doing that but racing to the bottom has never historically served workers well.

[Kenny Powers]

ZedLeg said:

I would say chasing quick profit over quality and sustainability is doing the reputation of their industry more harm than anything I might say. Obviously I'm not saying all beef farmers are doing that but racing to the bottom has never historically served workers well.

Well sure. Okay. Meanwhile, crop farming conglomerates around the globe are a paragon of virtue and replace every fallen tree with a Unicorn that sts rainbows into the atmosphere

[gregs656]

Kenny Powers said:

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

It takes some serious mental gymnastics to blame people who are not consuming meat for industrial practices designed to deliver high quantity low price meat to people who are consuming it.

[Kenny Powers]

gregs656 said:

Kenny Powers said:

Sadly, and ironically, it will probably increase further as farmers struggle to make profit in a world where their industry is being demonised in an attempt to shut it down.

It takes some serious mental gymnastics to blame people who are not consuming meat for industrial practices designed to deliver high quantity low price meat to people who are consuming it.

I'm not blaming people "who don't eat meat". I'm saying that the worldwide push to demonise meat-eating is not likely to make things any easier for cattle farmers. I don't care what people eat or don't eat, but this isn't likely to improve the quality of farming.

[julian64]

vdn said:

Agreed. But it’s a mistake that shouldn’t be made... as stated the microbiome changes after just a few weeks of not eating animals - and so a sudden hit can be a shock to the system.

It’s worth pulling them up on it so it doesn’t happen more in future.

Snowflakes: people that complain; or people that complain that their are people complaining.

It might have been stated by you but it isn't correct. The bacterial flora in your gut will likely come from the food you eat, in part, but there will be no shock to your system as your body is well capable of adapting on the fly.

There will be no shock, apart from the imagined one.