Vegan Snowflakes
Discussion
vdn said:
Right; your post completely backs my points? Was that your intention? If so:
A vegan is someone who does not eat or use animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.
And you saw no difference when you ate meat; like I said: it can vary, and for many there is a difference.
So... that’s that I suppose.
You originally suggested that people could only be vegan for ethical reasons, I disagreed. Now you say it isn't only diet and we are agreeing... You haven't just moved the goalposts you have recycled them and planted a couple of responsibly sourced trees... A vegan is someone who does not eat or use animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.
And you saw no difference when you ate meat; like I said: it can vary, and for many there is a difference.
So... that’s that I suppose.
Edited by vdn on Tuesday 22 October 14:35
LordGrover said:
*cough* b
ks! *cough*
Some truth in it.ks! *cough*But the real issue is the lack of parasites in our diet triggering more autoimmune diseases, so vegan diets using stupid factory engineered foods, may lead to a more cases and weaker immune systems overall...
Another point is the mental health is directly affected by diet and evidence has shown the big V eaters are more likely to be depressed over meat eaters.
Thesprucegoose said:
LordGrover said:
*cough* bks! *cough*
Some truth in it.ks! *cough*But the real issue is the lack of parasites in our diet triggering more autoimmune diseases, so vegan diets using stupid factory engineered foods, may lead to a more cases and weaker immune systems overall...
Another point is the mental health is directly affected by diet and evidence has shown the big V eaters are more likely to be depressed over meat eaters.
But yes; microbiome changes when animals are cut from a diet. Lord Grover said ‘b
ks’ which is funny because it’s fact.Vanden Saab said:
vdn said:
Right; your post completely backs my points? Was that your intention? If so:
A vegan is someone who does not eat or use animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.
And you saw no difference when you ate meat; like I said: it can vary, and for many there is a difference.
So... that’s that I suppose.
You originally suggested that people could only be vegan for ethical reasons, I disagreed. Now you say it isn't only diet and we are agreeing... You haven't just moved the goalposts you have recycled them and planted a couple of responsibly sourced trees... A vegan is someone who does not eat or use animal products - hence; a vegan diet is only one part of Veganism.
And you saw no difference when you ate meat; like I said: it can vary, and for many there is a difference.
So... that’s that I suppose.
Edited by vdn on Tuesday 22 October 14:35
So I agree, to be clear, that Veganism isn’t just an ethical standpoint.
Some Guy said:
Vegan "traumatised for life" after eating sausage roll that contained sausage meat.
"A woman claims she started having heart palpitations and broke down in tears after being served a sausage roll that contained sausage."
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/26/vegan-traumatised-l...
Never mind the vegansism, those bloody fingernails. "A woman claims she started having heart palpitations and broke down in tears after being served a sausage roll that contained sausage."
https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/26/vegan-traumatised-l...
People with those stoopid long finger nails can't keep a clean house. how can you vac, clean, do your washing or change the half shaft on a Series Land Rover with daft fingers?
Castrol for a knave said:
Never mind the vegansism, those bloody fingernails.
People with those stoopid long finger nails can't keep a clean house. how can you vac, clean, do your washing or change the half shaft on a Series Land Rover with daft fingers?
There’s something that we can all agree on!People with those stoopid long finger nails can't keep a clean house. how can you vac, clean, do your washing or change the half shaft on a Series Land Rover with daft fingers?
Vanden Saab said:
You originally suggested that people could only be vegan for ethical reasons, I disagreed. Now you say it isn't only diet and we are agreeing... You haven't just moved the goalposts you have recycled them and planted a couple of responsibly sourced trees...
To be fair, The Vegan Society, who invented the word, define it as an ethical position and have done almost since inception.In my opinion it would be much better seen purely as an ethical position as the ethical position builds in some flex which individuals can interpret as they wish. I don't think you have to start from an ethical position, but you have to get there somehow.
I am not sure how you can be a vegan without the ethics, why wouldn't you buy leather shoes otherwise, for example?
Greggs have made a big thing (and good profits) out of selling vegan sausage rolls so the shop should have done better assuming the woman asked for a vegan one.
Having said that, and I'm a Vegan, the woman in the story is a fking whining idiot. The only upside of this story is it's triggered the usual suspects which always makes me smile.
More importantly why has nobody pointed out that the thread title is suspiciously Welsh?
Having said that, and I'm a Vegan, the woman in the story is a f
king whining idiot. The only upside of this story is it's triggered the usual suspects which always makes me smile.More importantly why has nobody pointed out that the thread title is suspiciously Welsh?
Pan Pan Pan said:
I read in a post in a newspaper website, comments from someone who stated that humans were in fact vegetarian, and that they should not eat meat. I suggested that he go to the nearest mirror, open his mouth, and take a look at his teeth. He never replied 
You'd be wrong...or at least only half right 
We are naturally herbivores who can, if required, eat meat. We have however evolved to now liking meat as much as vegetables and fruit.
Our Teeth, Jaws, and Nails
Humans have short, soft fingernails and small “canine” teeth. In contrast, carnivores all have sharp claws and large canine teeth that are capable of tearing flesh.
Carnivores’ jaws move only up and down, requiring them to tear chunks of flesh from their prey and swallow them whole. Humans and other herbivores can move their jaws up and down and from side to side, allowing them to grind up fruit and vegetables with their back teeth. Like other herbivores’ teeth, humans’ back molars are flat for grinding fibrous plant foods.
Dr. Richard Leakey, a renowned anthropologist, summarizes, “You can’t tear flesh by hand, you can’t tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don’t have large canine teeth, and we wouldn’t have been able to deal with food sources that require those large canines.”
Stomach Acidity
Carnivorous animals swallow their food whole, relying on extremely acidic stomach juices to break down flesh and kill the dangerous bacteria in it, which would otherwise sicken or kill them. Our stomach acids are much weaker in comparison, because strong acids aren’t needed to digest prechewed fruits and vegetables.
Intestinal Length
Animals who hunt have short intestinal tracts and colons that allow meat to pass through their bodies relatively quickly, before it can rot and cause illness. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer than those of carnivores of comparable size. Longer intestines allow the body more time to break down fiber and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods, but they make it dangerous for humans to eat meat. The bacteria in meat have extra time to multiply during the long trip through the digestive system, increasing the risk of food poisoning. Meat actually begins to rot while it makes its way through human intestines, which increases the risk of developing colon cancer.
Human Evolution and the Rise of Meat-Heavy Diets
If it’s so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors sometimes turn to flesh for sustenance? Author of the book The Power of Your Plate, Dr. Neal Barnard, talks about humans’ early diet, explaining that we “had diets very much like other great apes, which is to say a largely plant-based diet …. [M]eat-eating probably began by scavenging—eating the leftovers that carnivores had left behind. However, our bodies have never adapted to it. To this day, meat-eaters have a higher incidence of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other problems.”
https://www.peta.org/living/food/really-natural-tr...
There is an ongoing debate about this very subject in scientific circles right now so it's no longer correct to say go and look in the mirror at your teeth as your teeth are actually telling you quite a different story now from 30 years ago.
Edited by jonmiles on Tuesday 22 October 15:48
Vanden Saab said:
Hoofy said:
Vanden Saab said:
You are assuming that all vegans do not eat meat for ethical reasons which is far from the case.
All vegans do not eat meat for ethical reason. Others who eat a plant-based diet are not technically vegan.Otherwise, I'm 70% vegan.
LordGrover said:
More bks!
Homo species came up with tools such as sharpened stones to cut flesh, there was no need to develop the teeth for it.
ks!Homo species came up with tools such as sharpened stones to cut flesh, there was no need to develop the teeth for it.
We don’t have the teeth for it; the vision; the intestines; the list goes on - but apparently it’s ‘b
ks’!Fact is; yes, we are able to eat meat; but even after all of this time, we are not particularly suited to it.
You didn’t answer my last response; I know why - but just wanted to offer a reminder
jonmiles said:
You'd be wrong...or at least only half right
We are naturally herbivores who can, if required, eat meat. We have however evolved to now liking meat as much as vegetables and fruit.
Our Teeth, Jaws, and Nails
One thing you forgot to mention, which seems to be missed by a lot of Vegan propaganda, are this ties up with using fire to cook meat. All the adaptations in bone structure, stomach etc tie up with using heat to make meat easier and healthier to eat. We are naturally herbivores who can, if required, eat meat. We have however evolved to now liking meat as much as vegetables and fruit.
Our Teeth, Jaws, and Nails
Humans could never evolved on a veg diet, just not enough energy to exist. Getting carbs is more energy intensive over meat , well until the last few hundred years.
Edited by Thesprucegoose on Tuesday 22 October 16:00
Edited by Thesprucegoose on Tuesday 22 October 16:02
jonmiles said:
You'd be wrong...or at least only half right
We are naturally herbivores who can, if required, eat meat. We have however evolved to now liking meat as much as vegetables and fruit.
Our Teeth, Jaws, and Nails
Humans have short, soft fingernails and small “canine” teeth. In contrast, carnivores all have sharp claws and large canine teeth that are capable of tearing flesh.
Carnivores’ jaws move only up and down, requiring them to tear chunks of flesh from their prey and swallow them whole. Humans and other herbivores can move their jaws up and down and from side to side, allowing them to grind up fruit and vegetables with their back teeth. Like other herbivores’ teeth, humans’ back molars are flat for grinding fibrous plant foods.
Dr. Richard Leakey, a renowned anthropologist, summarizes, “You can’t tear flesh by hand, you can’t tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don’t have large canine teeth, and we wouldn’t have been able to deal with food sources that require those large canines.”
Stomach Acidity
Carnivorous animals swallow their food whole, relying on extremely acidic stomach juices to break down flesh and kill the dangerous bacteria in it, which would otherwise sicken or kill them. Our stomach acids are much weaker in comparison, because strong acids aren’t needed to digest prechewed fruits and vegetables.
Intestinal Length
Animals who hunt have short intestinal tracts and colons that allow meat to pass through their bodies relatively quickly, before it can rot and cause illness. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer than those of carnivores of comparable size. Longer intestines allow the body more time to break down fiber and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods, but they make it dangerous for humans to eat meat. The bacteria in meat have extra time to multiply during the long trip through the digestive system, increasing the risk of food poisoning. Meat actually begins to rot while it makes its way through human intestines, which increases the risk of developing colon cancer.
Human Evolution and the Rise of Meat-Heavy Diets
If it’s so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors sometimes turn to flesh for sustenance? Author of the book The Power of Your Plate, Dr. Neal Barnard, talks about humans’ early diet, explaining that we “had diets very much like other great apes, which is to say a largely plant-based diet …. [M]eat-eating probably began by scavenging—eating the leftovers that carnivores had left behind. However, our bodies have never adapted to it. To this day, meat-eaters have a higher incidence of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other problems.”
https://www.peta.org/living/food/really-natural-tr...
There is an ongoing debate about this very subject in scientific circles right now so it's no longer correct to say go and look in the mirror at your teeth as your teeth are actually telling you quite a different story now from 30 years ago.
Cut and pasted from someone who owns the IP.We are naturally herbivores who can, if required, eat meat. We have however evolved to now liking meat as much as vegetables and fruit.
Our Teeth, Jaws, and Nails
Humans have short, soft fingernails and small “canine” teeth. In contrast, carnivores all have sharp claws and large canine teeth that are capable of tearing flesh.
Carnivores’ jaws move only up and down, requiring them to tear chunks of flesh from their prey and swallow them whole. Humans and other herbivores can move their jaws up and down and from side to side, allowing them to grind up fruit and vegetables with their back teeth. Like other herbivores’ teeth, humans’ back molars are flat for grinding fibrous plant foods.
Dr. Richard Leakey, a renowned anthropologist, summarizes, “You can’t tear flesh by hand, you can’t tear hide by hand. Our anterior teeth are not suited for tearing flesh or hide. We don’t have large canine teeth, and we wouldn’t have been able to deal with food sources that require those large canines.”
Stomach Acidity
Carnivorous animals swallow their food whole, relying on extremely acidic stomach juices to break down flesh and kill the dangerous bacteria in it, which would otherwise sicken or kill them. Our stomach acids are much weaker in comparison, because strong acids aren’t needed to digest prechewed fruits and vegetables.
Intestinal Length
Animals who hunt have short intestinal tracts and colons that allow meat to pass through their bodies relatively quickly, before it can rot and cause illness. Humans’ intestinal tracts are much longer than those of carnivores of comparable size. Longer intestines allow the body more time to break down fiber and absorb the nutrients from plant-based foods, but they make it dangerous for humans to eat meat. The bacteria in meat have extra time to multiply during the long trip through the digestive system, increasing the risk of food poisoning. Meat actually begins to rot while it makes its way through human intestines, which increases the risk of developing colon cancer.
Human Evolution and the Rise of Meat-Heavy Diets
If it’s so unhealthy and unnatural for humans to eat meat, why did our ancestors sometimes turn to flesh for sustenance? Author of the book The Power of Your Plate, Dr. Neal Barnard, talks about humans’ early diet, explaining that we “had diets very much like other great apes, which is to say a largely plant-based diet …. [M]eat-eating probably began by scavenging—eating the leftovers that carnivores had left behind. However, our bodies have never adapted to it. To this day, meat-eaters have a higher incidence of heart disease, cancer, diabetes, and other problems.”
https://www.peta.org/living/food/really-natural-tr...
There is an ongoing debate about this very subject in scientific circles right now so it's no longer correct to say go and look in the mirror at your teeth as your teeth are actually telling you quite a different story now from 30 years ago.
Edited by jonmiles on Tuesday 22 October 15:48
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