How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

[Elysium]

crankedup said:

Elysium said:

crankedup said:

Elysium said:

crankedup said:

p1stonhead said:

crankedup said:

£25 that helps enable an organisation to apply brexit pressure onto the establishment, seems reasonable value for brexiteers Return on investment = brexit.

Not often you see people being taken by a conman over and over and over again.

Next time you pay him, he will definitely do something. He promises.

Thirty of his would be candidates standing for election volunteered to stand down prior to Nigel’s
later directive. The overarching point of importance to these Brexit Party candidates is to ensure brexit actually happens, not a concern over a few quid contributed to TBP. Don’t forget that his followers are apparently the older ‘grey army’ people (like me) that are financially well equipped to help bolster TBP coffers, not to mention some wealthy backer.
Of course you know this but do not wish to acknowledge. Nigel is the Pied Piper of politics.

I'm pretty sure I heard Nigel Farage say that Boris Johnsons deal was not Brexit.

No matter how many times I may state the obvious it still doesn’t seem to sink into some minds in here. It’s a pragmatic compromise, I know it’s a really difficult concept for remainers to grasp, but there it is.

So he has pragmatically compromised to do something that is not Brexit?

Seems odd as he appeared to be really keen on it before.

‘not brexit’ ? and yet others that are far better informed than likely you or I beg to differ. The fact is that a no deal brexit is now a risk. Perhaps that is why TBP have compromised?

Farage said that Johnsons detail was not Brexit. On multiple occasions.

If he now supports it, then that is not a compromise. It is a complete departure from everything he has stood for over the last 25 years. I think this just about sums him up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/c...

[Elysium]

Murph7355 said:

A Winner Is You said:

turbobloke said:

Breaking news - the EU is taking legal action over the UK not sending Farage appointing a Commissioner, saying EU law trumps UK. Nothing new in the trumping but being reminded will do nicely for Leave supporters.

What are they going to do, kick us out?

Fine us.

39bn

More manipulation from Cummings.

This is exactly how the EU should respond to a member state who refuses to do something fundamental to the workings of the union:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commissione...

Another deliberately manufactured piece of theatre. We delayed to provoke them into acting so that they look bad.

What is annoying is that Johnson promised not to disrupt the EU during the extension period. But here we are doing just that.

[chrispmartha]

Elysium said:

Farage said that Johnsons detail was not Brexit. On multiple occasions.

If he now supports it, then that is not a compromise. It is a complete departure from everything he has stood for over the last 25 years. I think this just about sums him up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/c...

“Good morning, South Yorkshire,”

Nigel said in Hull, man of the people our Nige.

[anonymous-user]

Silly bugger.

[gooner1]

Elysium said:

Farage said that Johnsons detail was not Brexit. On multiple occasions.

If he now supports it, then that is not a compromise. It is a complete departure from everything he has stood for over the last 25 years. I think this just about sums him up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/c...

Not Brexit?

Then why are the likes of Tusk so concerned about the GE voting?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Elysium said:

Farage said that Johnsons detail was not Brexit. On multiple occasions.

If he now supports it, then that is not a compromise. It is a complete departure from everything he has stood for over the last 25 years. I think this just about sums him up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/c...

Maybe it's finally dawned on him that the majority of the people don't actually want his desired (extreme) brexit, and are happy with Boris's deal.

[Digga]

chrispmartha said:

“Good morning, South Yorkshire,”

Nigel said in Hull, man of the people our Nige.

Spoken like a true soft Southern ****.

To be fair, at least he actually went there. Too many politicians seem to forget there is a world outside of the Westminster bubble.

[paulrockliffe]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Elysium said:

Farage said that Johnsons detail was not Brexit. On multiple occasions.

If he now supports it, then that is not a compromise. It is a complete departure from everything he has stood for over the last 25 years. I think this just about sums him up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/c...

Maybe it's finally dawned on him that the majority of the people don't actually want his desired (extreme) brexit, and are happy with Boris's deal.

Why are you dealing in maybes? Farage was quite explicit with the why when he announced his plan and to be honest it was an exercise in stating the obvious. I don't believe you can't work this out for yourself.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

paulrockliffe said:

Why are you dealing in maybes? Farage was quite explicit with the why when he announced his plan and to be honest it was an exercise in stating the obvious. I don't believe you can't work this out for yourself.

Do you mean his claim of putting country before party (private Ltd)?

[TheRealNoNeedy]

paulrockliffe said:

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Elysium said:

Farage said that Johnsons detail was not Brexit. On multiple occasions.

If he now supports it, then that is not a compromise. It is a complete departure from everything he has stood for over the last 25 years. I think this just about sums him up:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/c...

Maybe it's finally dawned on him that the majority of the people don't actually want his desired (extreme) brexit, and are happy with Boris's deal.

Why are you dealing in maybes? Farage was quite explicit with the why when he announced his plan and to be honest it was an exercise in stating the obvious. I don't believe you can't work this out for yourself.

Didn't he change his tune when Boris said he was after a canada + type deal n the scind ohase and that that was an acceptable form of Brexit.

[Down and out]

Elysium said:

More manipulation from Cummings.

This is exactly how the EU should respond to a member state who refuses to do something fundamental to the workings of the union:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commissione...

Another deliberately manufactured piece of theatre. We delayed to provoke them into acting so that they look bad.

What is annoying is that Johnson promised not to disrupt the EU during the extension period. But here we are doing just that.

Good. Kick us out then.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Down and out said:

Good. Kick us out then.

More likely fine us.

Still, only tax payers money huh.

[Down and out]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

More likely fine us.

Still, only tax payers money huh.

What a shocker! They want our money!
Just the fact they can fine us doesn't sort of give you pause for thought?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Down and out said:

What a shocker! They want our money!
Just the fact they can fine us doesn't sort of give you pause for thought?

If only the Government would act accordingly to avoid it rather than playing childish games.

[Down and out]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

If only the Government would act accordingly to avoid it rather than playing childish games.

Just put Diane Abbott forward, that'll do it.

[bitchstewie]

amusingduck said:

Pull the other one

I'm totally fine with "rules are rules", but that's not the EU. Rules are only rules when it suits, and when it doesn't they can simply be ignored. Like Selmayr, like France/Germany flouting budget rules but not Italy, like Greece accession, etc, etc

If Boris flouted the rules the way the EU do, I think your head might explode

No doubt they do flout them.

This time they've chosen not to.

Boo hoo.

Send Farage for all I care. But to send nobody when we've an obligation to do so just looks pathetic and a bit of a childlike tantrum.

[sunbeam alpine]

Down and out said:

What a shocker! They want our money!
Just the fact they can fine us doesn't sort of give you pause for thought?

It doesn't matter - it's part of the rules of the club - to which the UK signed up (and I'm sure were aware of).

If it's a political move by Cummings (or whoever) it's a bit stupid in the great scheme of things. Theresa May's deal got slated because of the backstop. The backstop came about because the EU wanted to be sure that the UK would stick to what was agreed. We're already showing that we won't fulfil our responsibilities - and we haven't even left yet!

Whatever form Brexit takes, the UK will want to have some kind of deal which is better than WTO terms, and it will involve negotiating with the EU. How much more difficult will it be if we've already demonstrated we won't act in good faith?

[gooner1]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Down and out said:

What a shocker! They want our money!
Just the fact they can fine us doesn't sort of give you pause for thought?

If only the Government would act accordingly to avoid it rather than playing childish games.

They have. Hence the upcoming GE. Of which you presumably won't engage in.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

amusingduck said:

Pull the other one

I'm totally fine with "rules are rules", but that's not the EU. Rules are only rules when it suits, and when it doesn't they can simply be ignored. Like Selmayr, like France/Germany flouting budget rules but not Italy, like Greece accession, etc, etc

If Boris flouted the rules the way the EU do, I think your head might explode

No doubt they do flout them.

This time they've chosen not to.

Boo hoo.

Send Farage for all I care. But to send nobody when we've an obligation to do so just looks pathetic and a bit of a childlike tantrum.

No, it just looks like we have more important things to deal with, which is true.

It’s years since Germany and France paid any attention to what a UK commissioner might say in any case; why bother?

[drdel]

^^^ Its a long standing convention that the UK does not make appointments while there's an election as its the right of the incoming Government. The EU was/ is well aware of this when they agreed to an extension allowing a GE.

The EU Nov 1st 'start' was delayed to 1st Dec because other country's representatives were turned down .