How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
I think it would mean we wouldn't have a minority government anymore with no coalition or supply and confidence agreement creating a majority, as Parliament was designed for.
Yes, that's possible - then what? I got the impression EJim wants to change the deal. Not sure a majority Tory government will see any changes to the deal.
Would they head for a no deal in 2020 with a majority? Seems unlikely, but who knows.
Or would Johnson use his 5 year tenure to try and get the best FTA he could? Seems more likely.
What would make EJim happy?
jsf said:
Wills2 said:
I like his style, races vintage cars, owns a small vineyard and loves chips, can't be all bad.
Races is pushing the definition a bit. Slow as fook.More money than talent, and trying to be quick whilst actually merely endangering older, slower cars in the same category, and I have a major issue.
Especially as Stewards seem less than keen to censure those paying to race (very badly, and with limited control) in multiple classes with tasty fees for the weekend...
Ridgemont said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
Ridgemont said:
Tusk tweeting that extension will be incoming.
Jan potentially.
The EU keeps stating they don't want to extend when they will always extend.Jan potentially.
They have to as they want the remainers to cancel Brexit.
As we have seen with Germany things are not going well in the EU.
The extension will be through to Jan, but with the option of flextension: the idea there is a 2 week rolling review.
My sense is that BJ will try another poke at an election and fail: the deal will sucked into the world of committee after an extension.
I’ve no idea how that will turn out and if anyone claims to know they are lying.
Sway said:
jsf said:
Wills2 said:
I like his style, races vintage cars, owns a small vineyard and loves chips, can't be all bad.
Races is pushing the definition a bit. Slow as fook.More money than talent, and trying to be quick whilst actually merely endangering older, slower cars in the same category, and I have a major issue.
Especially as Stewards seem less than keen to censure those paying to race (very badly, and with limited control) in multiple classes with tasty fees for the weekend...
A No 10 source has said there will have to be a general election if the EU offers a delay until the end of January - as the UK has requested.
"On Saturday, Parliament asked for a delay until January and today Parliament blew its last chance.
"If Parliament's delay is agreed by Brussels, then the only way the country can move on is with an election.
"This Parliament is totally broken. The public will have to choose whether they want to get Brexit done with Boris or whether they want to spend 2020 having two referendums on Brexit and Scotland with Corbyn."
"On Saturday, Parliament asked for a delay until January and today Parliament blew its last chance.
"If Parliament's delay is agreed by Brussels, then the only way the country can move on is with an election.
"This Parliament is totally broken. The public will have to choose whether they want to get Brexit done with Boris or whether they want to spend 2020 having two referendums on Brexit and Scotland with Corbyn."
Sway said:
I'll not knock someone for being slow in historics...
Me too normally, so long as they dont cause safety issues for the quick drivers.From what ive seen he doesn't prep the cars well enough, ive no time for that as it causes problems for other competitors.
Thankfully I work at the other end of the grid.
Anyway, back to the politics.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
No-deal
I thought that was your preference, but I'm not sure how even a tory - TBP alliance would get you that. I'm afraid it looks like no deal is pretty dead now.
It's Johnson's deal in some form or other. And maybe a referendum of that deal vs Remain - but that now looks a long shot.
Does anyone think that there will be that many amendments of substance? I'm not so sure, it is what it is.
And once he has his deal, it doesn't seem that likely he will aim for no deal as an outcome. It will be a long painful slog towards an FTA - perhaps he may threaten no deal again at the end of 2020 to get a better FTA? What a prospect!
Edited by DeepEnd on Tuesday 22 October 22:37
jsf said:
Sway said:
I'll not knock someone for being slow in historics...
Me too normally, so long as they dont cause safety issues for the quick drivers.From what ive seen he doesn't prep the cars well enough, ive no time for that as it causes problems for other competitors.
Thankfully I work at the other end of the grid.
Anyway, back to the politics.
Didnt realise you were in historics. Good mate (and sometime poster on these threads) spent a couple of years playing with them. I managed to blag a couple of events 'helping' thanks to him. Awesome fun, but bloody hard work, and thank god he knew what he was doing!
Holding the timing board from the Goodwood pitlane as ex-works GT40s screamed seemingly underneath my outstretched arm is a bloody good memory to savor...
He's back with modern GTs now.
Back to the boring politics stuff...
DeepEnd said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
No-deal
I thought that was your preference, but I'm not sure how even a tory - TBP alliance would get you that. I'm afraid it looks like no deal is pretty dead now.
It's Johnson's deal in some form or other. And maybe a referendum of that deal vs Remain - but that now looks a long shot.
Does anyone think that there will be that many amendments of substance? I'm not so sure, it is what it is.
And once he has his deal, it doesn't seem that likely he will aim for no deal as an outcome. It will be a long painful slog towards an FTA - perhaps he may threaten no deal again at the end of 2020 to get a better no FTA? What a prospect!
If a GE did take place the Brexit Party could do very well but what would happen after that is anyone's guess.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
A No 10 source has said there will have to be a general election if the EU offers a delay until the end of January - as the UK has requested.
"On Saturday, Parliament asked for a delay until January and today Parliament blew its last chance.
"If Parliament's delay is agreed by Brussels, then the only way the country can move on is with an election.
"This Parliament is totally broken. The public will have to choose whether they want to get Brexit done with Boris or whether they want to spend 2020 having two referendums on Brexit and Scotland with Corbyn."
Killer reality-check."On Saturday, Parliament asked for a delay until January and today Parliament blew its last chance.
"If Parliament's delay is agreed by Brussels, then the only way the country can move on is with an election.
"This Parliament is totally broken. The public will have to choose whether they want to get Brexit done with Boris or whether they want to spend 2020 having two referendums on Brexit and Scotland with Corbyn."
I get the impression that (those who may be paying half an attention) are witnessing an absolute blinder of a pre GE campaign.
Sway said:
Ah, fair point.
Didnt realise you were in historics. Good mate (and sometime poster on these threads) spent a couple of years playing with them. I managed to blag a couple of events 'helping' thanks to him. Awesome fun, but bloody hard work, and thank god he knew what he was doing!
He's back with modern GTs now.
I will most likely know him, I've been running historics for 14 years, won many things including the top FIA championships.Didnt realise you were in historics. Good mate (and sometime poster on these threads) spent a couple of years playing with them. I managed to blag a couple of events 'helping' thanks to him. Awesome fun, but bloody hard work, and thank god he knew what he was doing!
He's back with modern GTs now.
Its absurdly hard work at times, but i get to do lots of cool stuff too. One driver spent £15k on a single meal for me as a thanks for my work on his McLaren.
Anyway, back to the pantomime.
Brooking10 said:
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On the specific issue of Brexit I am still surprised that we don’t see much, if any evidence, of “ we want out” via peaceful demonstration.
Leaving the EU wasn't no1 on most people's lists according to commentators...and yet when it came to it...On the specific issue of Brexit I am still surprised that we don’t see much, if any evidence, of “ we want out” via peaceful demonstration.
I think you are reading too much into the lack of noise on this right now. I agree that apathy may well be there in terms of walking around London with your kids swearing. How it manifests itself in a GE will be far more interesting.
Vanden Saab said:
jsf said:
majordad said:
The UK made a mistake three years ago, now needs to correct it with a second referendum.
The mistake was 2 years sgo, when they thought Brexit was done and trusted the manifesto commitments. That mistake won't be repeated.
Sway said:
Holding the timing board from the Goodwood pitlane as ex-works GT40s screamed seemingly underneath my outstretched arm is a bloody good memory to savor...
Goodwood is the one pits i dont like working in, it's bloody dangerous, especially when doing a mid race driver change. The racing itself is great of course. If you want a proper GT40 experience, get yourself at the bottom of the old pits during the Spa 6 hours, it's epic.
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: Would you commit not to amend something you haven't read and don't yet fully understand? 
Agree that in some cases there's clearly no intention of voting for it through and presumably those people didn't vote for it.
I'm "the electorate" just as much as people who voted to leave are and I don't want what may be a poor piece of legislation passed in a rush just to meet Boris's self-imposed deadlines.
That damages us all.
It's 100 pages, no? And the bulk of it is the May deal which had plenty of reading time already.Agree that in some cases there's clearly no intention of voting for it through and presumably those people didn't vote for it.
I'm "the electorate" just as much as people who voted to leave are and I don't want what may be a poor piece of legislation passed in a rush just to meet Boris's self-imposed deadlines.
That damages us all.
Getting it read and raising constructive points should be a piece of piss in 3 days. They have nothing else that should be a higher priority...
...IF the intent was to want to actually get this phase done with.
But now it seems Corbyn and his cronies seem to want something written down that binds future governments. Which is an interesting angle.
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