How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Nickgnome said:
SpeckledJim said:
You've really dropped the ball here SJ, poor show. In future please be mindful to spoonfeed Nick's 20-minute-old context back to him, would you? There's a good lad.
Nickgnome at 0911 said:
Sway said:
EU membership hardly protected French champagne...
I. Never suggested it did. Nickgnome 17 minutes later said:
Earthdweller said:
Nickgnome said:
I. Never suggested it did.
Yet it protects Melton Mowbray’s finest export ?
Earthdweller said:
Digga said:
jsf said:
So will I still be allowed to make 'Lancashire' hot pot for tea here in the Midlands? Or will I need to pay royalties or something?Need to know because I think it's my turn to do some meal planning.
Wherever I make my home I make my hotpot
Asking for a friend. (I buy Lincolnshire sausages made in the Midlands.)
Digga said:
Earthdweller said:
Digga said:
jsf said:
So will I still be allowed to make 'Lancashire' hot pot for tea here in the Midlands? Or will I need to pay royalties or something?Need to know because I think it's my turn to do some meal planning.
Wherever I make my home I make my hotpot
Asking for a friend. (I buy Lincolnshire sausages made in the Midlands.)
But then a traditional Lanky hot pot is made with lamb or mutton
Mmmmm yum
Digga said:
Earthdweller said:
Digga said:
jsf said:
So will I still be allowed to make 'Lancashire' hot pot for tea here in the Midlands? Or will I need to pay royalties or something?Need to know because I think it's my turn to do some meal planning.
Wherever I make my home I make my hotpot
Asking for a friend. (I buy Lincolnshire sausages made in the Midlands.)
FiF said:
Digga said:
Earthdweller said:
Digga said:
jsf said:
So will I still be allowed to make 'Lancashire' hot pot for tea here in the Midlands? Or will I need to pay royalties or something?Need to know because I think it's my turn to do some meal planning.
Wherever I make my home I make my hotpot
Asking for a friend. (I buy Lincolnshire sausages made in the Midlands.)
What champagne does one have with one’s hot pot. ?
Earthdweller said:
FiF said:
Digga said:
Earthdweller said:
Digga said:
jsf said:
So will I still be allowed to make 'Lancashire' hot pot for tea here in the Midlands? Or will I need to pay royalties or something?Need to know because I think it's my turn to do some meal planning.
Wherever I make my home I make my hotpot
Asking for a friend. (I buy Lincolnshire sausages made in the Midlands.)
What champagne does one have with one’s hot pot. ?
Brooking10 said:
In fairness to Nick that wasn’t the motion being proposed as I read it.
Crikey. You've got to be either legal, or politician! 
Will you ever put forward your opinion on the subject at hand, or only ever put forward what you don't believe to be the case regarding those debating?
digimeistter said:
Isn't it amazing that Brexit has completely fallen from the mainstream headlines, the EU are being very quiet and we haven't left yet.
I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
It's the scurvy, planes falling out of the sky, lack of medicines etc that is keeping everyone quiet.I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
Troubleatmill said:
digimeistter said:
Isn't it amazing that Brexit has completely fallen from the mainstream headlines, the EU are being very quiet and we haven't left yet.
I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
It's the scurvy, planes falling out of the sky, lack of medicines etc that is keeping everyone quiet.I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
PANIC !
Dont like rolls said:
Troubleatmill said:
digimeistter said:
Isn't it amazing that Brexit has completely fallen from the mainstream headlines, the EU are being very quiet and we haven't left yet.
I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
It's the scurvy, planes falling out of the sky, lack of medicines etc that is keeping everyone quiet.I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
PANIC !
Troubleatmill said:
digimeistter said:
Isn't it amazing that Brexit has completely fallen from the mainstream headlines, the EU are being very quiet and we haven't left yet.
I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
It's the scurvy, planes falling out of the sky, lack of medicines etc that is keeping everyone quiet.I would have thought an imminent UK catastrophe, would have been on every news feed considering we are leaving in 2 weeks?
Whilst I don't think the protected food thing is a particularly big issue, it is still a basically valid concern & bargaining chip.
Champagne is an interesting choice as there is a real world example of the impact food protection rules can have - there used to be a Swiss champagne that sold over 100,000 bottles a year but when food protection rules were put in place - preventing them putting the word "champagne" on the bottle - sales fell to 30,000. This may seem a harsh example given the Swiss village that made the drink was called "champagne"......but it illustrates the point.
The US do put Champagne on their bottles, and have actually done so it seems with agreement of the EU - highlighting US influence in negotiations perhaps the swiss could not call upon in their own.
The potential brexit issue comes with how the UK decides it wants to implement protected name rules - of course we can do what we wish to prevent the sale of imported/fake melton mowbray branded pork pies in the UK - but what control/protection the name has in the EU is down to what the EU bargains for in any negotiation. If we want our own UK champagne then the EU might not agree to e.g. protect "Scotch" Whiskey and allow that to be made and labelled as such in the EU - probably hurting Scotch exports as the Swiss example demonstrates. The Swiss product which dropped to 30,000 sales will have been the same wine but the name clearly impacts sales.
The likely outcome is we'll agree to replicate what we have now in a deal with the EU.
Mind, not all EU controls on fake goods are implemented it seems - look at this cheeky topical Austrian knock off!
Champagne is an interesting choice as there is a real world example of the impact food protection rules can have - there used to be a Swiss champagne that sold over 100,000 bottles a year but when food protection rules were put in place - preventing them putting the word "champagne" on the bottle - sales fell to 30,000. This may seem a harsh example given the Swiss village that made the drink was called "champagne"......but it illustrates the point.
The US do put Champagne on their bottles, and have actually done so it seems with agreement of the EU - highlighting US influence in negotiations perhaps the swiss could not call upon in their own.
The potential brexit issue comes with how the UK decides it wants to implement protected name rules - of course we can do what we wish to prevent the sale of imported/fake melton mowbray branded pork pies in the UK - but what control/protection the name has in the EU is down to what the EU bargains for in any negotiation. If we want our own UK champagne then the EU might not agree to e.g. protect "Scotch" Whiskey and allow that to be made and labelled as such in the EU - probably hurting Scotch exports as the Swiss example demonstrates. The Swiss product which dropped to 30,000 sales will have been the same wine but the name clearly impacts sales.
The likely outcome is we'll agree to replicate what we have now in a deal with the EU.
Mind, not all EU controls on fake goods are implemented it seems - look at this cheeky topical Austrian knock off!
Edited by DeepEnd on Friday 17th January 21:32
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