How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
e too. They are far too wide to fit down a decent red or black grade mtb trail. And the parasol gets hooked in overhanging branches.
Brooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
What a contraptionBrooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
My transport has proven an exercise in sublime to ridiculous.
Started the day in a Maybach and am now coming down the mountain in a Tesla Model 3.
The Tesla is disconcertingly impressive.
Anyway I shall derail you no further !
Brooking10 said:
Which again isn’t actually what happened was it ?
The point I was making is that neither “side” should be deceived by current short term indicators. Equally that Brexiteers should pull on tin hats because unreasonably over zealous remainers are going to be blaming them Irrespective of any relevancy to the EZ comparison.
You’re welcome to your assumptions because you don’t like my posting style but they are wrong.
My cobham armour hat is permanently fixed to my bonce and will deflect anything OZR's have in their Arsenal, cough, unless of course a particular salvo happens to be correct.The point I was making is that neither “side” should be deceived by current short term indicators. Equally that Brexiteers should pull on tin hats because unreasonably over zealous remainers are going to be blaming them Irrespective of any relevancy to the EZ comparison.
You’re welcome to your assumptions because you don’t like my posting style but they are wrong.
Pan Pan Pan said:
Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
e too. They are far too wide to fit down a decent red or black grade mtb trail. And the parasol gets hooked in overhanging branches.
Brooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
What a contraptionBrooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
My transport has proven an exercise in sublime to ridiculous.
Started the day in a Maybach and am now coming down the mountain in a Tesla Model 3.
The Tesla is disconcertingly impressive.
Anyway I shall derail you no further !
Brooking10 said:
The point I was making is that neither “side” should be deceived by current short term indicators. Equally that Brexiteers should pull on tin hats because unreasonably over zealous remainers are going to be blaming them Irrespective of any relevancy to the EZ comparison.
What I find is interesting, is that IF you have something of an understanding of trade, economics, exposure to data and an ounce of commonsense; you can twist BREXIT (or any issue for good or bad).It's even funnier that the holier than thou, shouty remainer liberal elite can be presented as the economic nasty party prolonging the status quo and wealth inequality. But that's what happens when view the world in idiosyncratic terms.
What you also need, is a govt strong enough in majority and flexible enough in morality to get things done that suit the nation as a whole (so govt is correlated with the nation). Labour found that whilst the spoke about equality; that failed to embrace that most of the nation actually aspire to it. If the govt (Boris and co), have an understanding of this (they do); I suspect they will steer the choppy waters ahead on a strangely (economic) mercenary fashion, that will probably be NET positive for team UK. Even if they deal out FS for fishies, no one in Finance is taking that (and the lobbying against EC protectioism goes global with Trump in play). Passporting deems their own destruction (if we are playing FS Risk). Everything in play cuts both ways.
One dat soon, I'll be sitting in Christian Sewings office, with my feet up, cigar and sone of his "broads" running around the place.
REALIST123 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
e too. They are far too wide to fit down a decent red or black grade mtb trail. And the parasol gets hooked in overhanging branches.
Brooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
What a contraptionBrooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
My transport has proven an exercise in sublime to ridiculous.
Started the day in a Maybach and am now coming down the mountain in a Tesla Model 3.
The Tesla is disconcertingly impressive.
Anyway I shall derail you no further !
Pan Pan Pan said:
REALIST123 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Brooking10 said:
Digga said:
e too. They are far too wide to fit down a decent red or black grade mtb trail. And the parasol gets hooked in overhanging branches.
Brooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
What a contraptionBrooking, if you are renting a bike at Dovass avoid these.
My transport has proven an exercise in sublime to ridiculous.
Started the day in a Maybach and am now coming down the mountain in a Tesla Model 3.
The Tesla is disconcertingly impressive.
Anyway I shall derail you no further !
Night-and-day better.
sorry for the thread diversion...
Pan Pan Pan said:
Thank you, that is indeed an interesting point in favour of EV`s. One thing struck me though, was that if one undertakes any journey, by any means going to, and from a particular place using exactly the same route, then technically the road will be completely flat, because all the ups will be cancelled out, by all the downs
you have all the losses to consider though, which are not equal.jsf said:
We have had over 3 years of that already. What makes you think we need informing that more of the same is to come?
Your contribution added nothing.
Christ you are obstinate aren’t you ?Your contribution added nothing.
You can’t even see that I am actually expressing a little sympathy with those at your end of the spectrum on this whole debate because you are going to come in for more bleating which will be entirely unreasonable.
The comment was very specifically aimed at the suggestion that out performance of the EU based on short term indicators does not detract from the fact that we are all headed for very choppy waters economically. Therefore adopting a position in negotiations that we have some kind of upper hand based on localised UK vs EU economic positions is a fallacy.
We are collectively heading for disruption and economic turmoil. It is as a result in everybody’s interests directly involved in the relative global sideshow that Brexit has become that both parties agree a mutually beneficial route forward. This I think is what everybody who matters is working to achieve.
Brooking10 said:
jsf said:
We have had over 3 years of that already. What makes you think we need informing that more of the same is to come?
Your contribution added nothing.
Christ you are obstinate aren’t you ?Your contribution added nothing.
You can’t even see that I am actually expressing a little sympathy with those at your end of the spectrum on this whole debate because you are going to come in for more bleating which will be entirely unreasonable.
The comment was very specifically aimed at the suggestion that out performance of the EU based on short term indicators does not detract from the fact that we are all headed for very choppy waters economically. Therefore adopting a position in negotiations that we have some kind of upper hand based on localised UK vs EU economic positions is a fallacy.
We are collectively heading for disruption and economic turmoil. It is as a result in everybody’s interests directly involved in the relative global sideshow that Brexit has become that both parties agree a mutually beneficial route forward. This I think is what everybody who matters is working to achieve.
Add something new and i'm as open to it as anybody.
jsf said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
Thank you, that is indeed an interesting point in favour of EV`s. One thing struck me though, was that if one undertakes any journey, by any means going to, and from a particular place using exactly the same route, then technically the road will be completely flat, because all the ups will be cancelled out, by all the downs
you have all the losses to consider though, which are not equal.I put this down to two things, mainly;
- gravity assists the cold and, otherwise inefficient internal combustion engine
- there is less dawdling traffic
jsf said:
We dont need your sympathy, you are not telling us anything we dont know.
Add something new and i'm as open to it as anybody.
I thought I hadAdd something new and i'm as open to it as anybody.
Don’t assume that our short term and immediate indicators of health / green shoots should be as seen as giving us a mythical upper hand.
jsf said:
Who is assuming anything?
You’re just being obtuse for the sake of it now It was clearly suggested (or I inferred) in the post I responded to that our current economic indicators might put us in a “whip hand” position.
That response wasn’t meant to be aggressive, belittling or confrontational, indeed it even had a little humour in it. It was a counter to that view and a precursor to a suggestion that we might be better off adopting a more “all in it together” approach rather than congratulating ourselves on the current state of play being because we left the EU.
You’ve turned this into something it wasn’t and now just keep on digging.
I’m out, mate - got a plane to catch and a lovely view to look out of the train window at until I get there.
Brooking10 said:
jsf said:
We have had over 3 years of that already. What makes you think we need informing that more of the same is to come?
Your contribution added nothing.
Christ you are obstinate aren’t you ?Your contribution added nothing.
You can’t even see that I am actually expressing a little sympathy with those at your end of the spectrum on this whole debate because you are going to come in for more bleating which will be entirely unreasonable.
The comment was very specifically aimed at the suggestion that out performance of the EU based on short term indicators does not detract from the fact that we are all headed for very choppy waters economically. Therefore adopting a position in negotiations that we have some kind of upper hand based on localised UK vs EU economic positions is a fallacy.
We are collectively heading for disruption and economic turmoil. It is as a result in everybody’s interests directly involved in the relative global sideshow that Brexit has become that both parties agree a mutually beneficial route forward. This I think is what everybody who matters is working to achieve.
Brooking10 said:
Vanden saab said:
The EU have a bigger problem, which is what happens if the UK do better outside the EU than inside. This is looking more likely by the day as every 'downside' fails to materialise and is replaced by the UK doing better than the EU in so many areas..
Trust me the UK is still heading for choppy waters economically.Not directly Brexit related but get your tin hat on.
Vanden Saab said:
So nothing about negotiations or any other of the stuff you sought to justify your post with. Just the suggestion that if we do better outside the EU even in the middle of a recession it will cause the EU serious problems...
Oh here we go, pile on ..... 
Look I wasn’t trying to rile anybody and I’m struggling to see quite how you have managed to get your knickers in a twist over it.
It smacks hugely of people with entrenched views keen to continue to reaffirm their own decisions and seeing any suggestion that things aren’t exactly as we perceive as some kind of attack.
Your clear implication, which you have reconfirmed above, is that our performance as an economy will cause the EU worries.
My clear rebuttal to that is that it is a red herring and we should be worried about our own performance in a Global context and prepare for further whinging.
if you and matey boy want to sit in your echo chamber then crack on and fill your boots.
Brooking10 said:
Vanden Saab said:
So nothing about negotiations or any other of the stuff you sought to justify your post with. Just the suggestion that if we do better outside the EU even in the middle of a recession it will cause the EU serious problems...
Oh here we go, pile on ..... Look I wasn’t trying to rile anybody and I’m struggling to see quite how you have managed to get your knickers in a twist over it.
It smacks hugely of people with entrenched views keen to continue to reaffirm their own decisions and seeing any suggestion that things aren’t exactly as we perceive as some kind of attack.
Your clear implication, which you have reconfirmed above, is that our performance as an economy will cause the EU worries.
My clear rebuttal to that is that it is a red herring and we should be worried about our own performance in a Global context and prepare for further whinging.
if you and matey boy want to sit in your echo chamber then crack on and fill your boots.
Vanden Saab said:
You actually think that if we do better than the EU after we leave it will not have other countries wondering not only why they are still members but also why they are paying so much money for the privilege?
That isn’t what I said I honestly believe now that Brexit and the wider EU issue is something of a sideshow. There are much bigger monsters on the horizon.
It’s become all consuming for some and about “winning” in a deal and I think that’s short sighted.
Even Boris has toned down the rhetoric.
Vanden Saab said:
Brooking10 said:
Vanden Saab said:
So nothing about negotiations or any other of the stuff you sought to justify your post with. Just the suggestion that if we do better outside the EU even in the middle of a recession it will cause the EU serious problems...
Oh here we go, pile on ..... Look I wasn’t trying to rile anybody and I’m struggling to see quite how you have managed to get your knickers in a twist over it.
It smacks hugely of people with entrenched views keen to continue to reaffirm their own decisions and seeing any suggestion that things aren’t exactly as we perceive as some kind of attack.
Your clear implication, which you have reconfirmed above, is that our performance as an economy will cause the EU worries.
My clear rebuttal to that is that it is a red herring and we should be worried about our own performance in a Global context and prepare for further whinging.
if you and matey boy want to sit in your echo chamber then crack on and fill your boots.
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