How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

[SpeckledJim]

REALIST123 said:

Vanden Saab said:

Brooking10 said:

Vanden Saab said:

So nothing about negotiations or any other of the stuff you sought to justify your post with. Just the suggestion that if we do better outside the EU even in the middle of a recession it will cause the EU serious problems...

Oh here we go, pile on .....

Look I wasn’t trying to rile anybody and I’m struggling to see quite how you have managed to get your knickers in a twist over it.

It smacks hugely of people with entrenched views keen to continue to reaffirm their own decisions and seeing any suggestion that things aren’t exactly as we perceive as some kind of attack.

Your clear implication, which you have reconfirmed above, is that our performance as an economy will cause the EU worries.

My clear rebuttal to that is that it is a red herring and we should be worried about our own performance in a Global context and prepare for further whinging.

if you and matey boy want to sit in your echo chamber then crack on and fill your boots.

You actually think that if we do better than the EU after we leave it will not have other countries wondering not only why they are still members but also why they are paying so much money for the privilege?

Which countries are paying ‘so much money’ to be members? Most of them are net beneficiaries.

The few that allow most of them to be nett beneficiaries.

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

Vanden Saab said:

You actually think that if we do better than the EU after we leave it will not have other countries wondering not only why they are still members but also why they are paying so much money for the privilege?

That isn’t what I said

I honestly believe now that Brexit and the wider EU issue is something of a sideshow. There are much bigger monsters on the horizon.

It’s become all consuming for some and about “winning” in a deal and I think that’s short sighted.

Even Boris has toned down the rhetoric.

If I recall correctly, you were one of the biggest proponents of Brexit being a catastrophic event!

So now the whole world is fked financially?

[Pan Pan Pan]

jsf said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Thank you, that is indeed an interesting point in favour of EV`s. One thing struck me though, was that if one undertakes any journey, by any means going to, and from a particular place using exactly the same route, then technically the road will be completely flat, because all the ups will be cancelled out, by all the downs

you have all the losses to consider though, which are not equal.

True, since there would be aerodynamic drag and friction to take into account, if it were a vehicle of some kind.
Not so sure if a person was running or walking though, the average human is not very aerodynamic no matter which way they are going.

[anonymous-user]

Pan Pan Pan said:

True, since there would be aerodynamic drag and friction to take into account, if it were a vehicle of some kind.
Not so sure if a person was running or walking though, the average human is not very aerodynamic no matter which way they are going.

It takes significantly more energy to push against gravity than it does to use it.

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

if you and matey boy want to sit in your echo chamber then crack on and fill your boots.

Your attitude to other posters stinks.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

Your attitude to other posters stinks.

Hold your nose then sweetie.

You seem quite adept at chucking barbs out yourself when it suits but now you’ve come over full snowflake.

[Dont like rolls]

Brooking10 said:

Hold your nose then sweetie.

You seem quite adept at chucking barbs out yourself when it suits but now you’ve come over full snowflake.

60-100% of your post are rude, insulting or pompous, why act like a tt all the time ?

[anonymous-user]

digimeistter said:

If I recall correctly, you were one of the biggest proponents of Brexit being a catastrophic event!

So now the whole world is fked financially?

Not quite true Dig.

I was quite clear I thought it was ill timed and poorly conceived and cause unnecessary damage and uncertainty at the time as a result.

In the grand scheme of things, it is now a sideshow. We are out and that’s it done.

[soupdragon1]

Pan Pan Pan said:

jsf said:

Pan Pan Pan said:

Thank you, that is indeed an interesting point in favour of EV`s. One thing struck me though, was that if one undertakes any journey, by any means going to, and from a particular place using exactly the same route, then technically the road will be completely flat, because all the ups will be cancelled out, by all the downs

you have all the losses to consider though, which are not equal.

True, since there would be aerodynamic drag and friction to take into account, if it were a vehicle of some kind.
Not so sure if a person was running or walking though, the average human is not very aerodynamic no matter which way they are going.

Flat road is better overall. The energy used to defeat gravity on the climb, is given back on the way down. Only issue is that converting that gravity benefit back into battery power isn't completely lossless, the regeneration tech is very efficient as I understand it, but not 100% efficient. So you lose a little bit going up and down hills v flat.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Dont like rolls said:

60-100% of your post are rude, insulting or pompous, why act like a tt all the time ?

But you only have three months of posts to go on ...

[anonymous-user]

Brooking10 said:

digimeistter said:

If I recall correctly, you were one of the biggest proponents of Brexit being a catastrophic event!

So now the whole world is fked financially?

Not quite true Dig.

I was quite clear I thought it was ill timed and poorly conceived and cause unnecessary damage and uncertainty at the time as a result.

In the grand scheme of things, it is now a sideshow. We are out and that’s it done.

Ill timed?

When would have been your preference?

More flowery crap and backtracking

[anonymous-user]

digimeistter said:

Ill timed?

When would have been your preference?

More flowery crap and backtracking

What’s being backtracked on Dig ?

At the risk of opening up old wounds I have been very clear on a number of occasions that the vote was a bad question, asked at a bad time given the portents about the state of the global economy and (in my opinion) a bad answer.

You will struggle to find me quoting the very worst case scenarios such as the Osborne job numbers for example.

You will find plenty of posts back in the summer/autumn with me getting rather animated about the stupidity (again in my opinion) of forcing a no deal scenario when that looked a possible outcome as I considered that would have been very damaging, the markets also seemed to agree.

You will also find no support for the blocking tactics of parliament that led to further stasis. Neither will you find anything that might suggest I am a committed remainder/remoaner/remnant whatever the latest derogatory term is.

I’m happy to stand behind my view that it was a bad decision but I’m also on record many times saying we have to move on and we can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

So as I say I am unclear as to what you think I am backtracking on.

[Tuna]

Brooking10 said:

I was quite clear I thought it was ill timed and poorly conceived and cause unnecessary damage and uncertainty at the time as a result.

Not wanting to join in the pile on, in fairness you've trod a very fine line on these threads, with your explicit objections to the whole Brexit situation limited to (completely fair) comments on the ill conceived and poorly executed Referendum.

However... when it comes to 'defending' views or 'taking sides', your interventions on behalf of some of the more argumentative posters appear to have been exclusively in favour of the frothier Remainers. If there's a chance to get a dig in, you'll do it at the expense of the Leave supporters.

The impression it leaves is not so even handed

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

Not wanting to join in the pile on, in fairness you've trod a very fine line on these threads, with your explicit objections to the whole Brexit situation limited to (completely fair) comments on the ill conceived and poorly executed Referendum.

However... when it comes to 'defending' views or 'taking sides', your interventions on behalf of some of the more argumentative posters appear to have been exclusively in favour of the frothier Remainers. If there's a chance to get a dig in, you'll do it at the expense of the Leave supporters.

The impression it leaves is not so even handed

Et tu Brute ?

[anonymous-user]

Tuna said:

The impression it leaves is not so even handed

A' la Sibi

[Murph7355]

B'stard Child said:

...sometimes...

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[Tuna]

Brooking10 said:

Et tu Brute ?

Say what you see.

[powerstroke]

Brooking10 said:

Trust me the UK is still heading for choppy waters economically.

Not directly Brexit related but get your tin hat on.

more vox nihili ... Bless !!.....

[Stay in Bed Instead]

B'stard Child said:

Good point well made but I try not to be rude

And mostly you succeed.



I have no idea what ISHSTIB is though.

[hutchst]

Brooking10 said:

That isn’t what I said

I honestly believe now that Brexit and the wider EU issue is something of a sideshow. There are much bigger monsters on the horizon.

It’s become all consuming for some and about “winning” in a deal and I think that’s short sighted.

Even Boris has toned down the rhetoric.

That I can agree with. Some of us have always believed it.