How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Good to see that Boris can put pen to paper when not playing childish silly buggers.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/24/bo...

[FiF]

France already playing the access to fisheries card. 25 years. LoL

[Dont like rolls]

FiF said:

France already playing the access to fisheries card. 25 years. LoL

Link ?

[Troubleatmill]

It is almost as if they realise that we are leaving.

[FiF]

Dont like rolls said:

FiF said:

France already playing the access to fisheries card. 25 years. LoL

Link ?

Read SIBI's link above to the DT. Claims that " France has insisted in closed-door European Commission meetings that Britain must grant EU countries access to UK fishing waters for 25 years after Brexit if it wants a free trade agreement with Brussels."

[Digga]

digimeistter said:

Brooking10 said:

digimeistter said:

If I recall correctly, you were one of the biggest proponents of Brexit being a catastrophic event!

So now the whole world is fked financially?

Not quite true Dig.

I was quite clear I thought it was ill timed and poorly conceived and cause unnecessary damage and uncertainty at the time as a result.

In the grand scheme of things, it is now a sideshow. We are out and that’s it done.

Ill timed?

When would have been your preference?

More flowery crap and backtracking

I see this two ways. Yes Brexit in the current, weakened global climate is potentially pouring difficulty upon difficulty.

The other way to look at it is it may sharpen minds in the EU, to be more pragmatic, and there is also the thought that, if Brexit has X% drag, better to lose it off a poor year than a boom year. Comparatively, we don't currently look too bad compared to rEU.

[Mrr T]

Having announced the UK would move away from regulatory alignment with the EU it seems there has been a change of plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51228818

Good to know we have a government which knows what it is doing.

[Helicopter123]

Mrr T said:

Having announced the UK would move away from regulatory alignment with the EU it seems there has been a change of plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51228818

Good to know we have a government which knows what it is doing.

Worrying, isn't it?

Did we vote for regulatory alignment or something else? Maybe someone could tell Boris?

[anonymous-user]

The desperation is palpable.

1 week to go chaps.

[Crackie]

Helicopter123 said:

Worrying, isn't it?

No

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Mrr T said:

Having announced the UK would move away from regulatory alignment with the EU it seems there has been a change of plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51228818

Good to know we have a government which knows what it is doing.

To be fair, Javid has always said there will be divergence if and where appropriate and that there will be brexit business winners and losers.

[Vanden Saab]

FiF said:

Read SIBI's link above to the DT. Claims that " France has insisted in closed-door European Commission meetings that Britain must grant EU countries access to UK fishing waters for 25 years after Brexit if it wants a free trade agreement with Brussels."

Did they insist on access to fishing waters in Canada before they signed a FTA with them?

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Helicopter123 said:

Worrying, isn't it?

Did we vote for regulatory alignment or something else? Maybe someone could tell Boris?

Not at the moment because absolutely nothing changes until 31/12/20, except the warm fuzzy feeling in the hearts of leavers (and maybe a hangover on 1st Feb).

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Vanden Saab said:

Did they insist on access to fishing waters in Canada before they signed a FTA with them?

Do they have access to Canadian waters previously?

[Sway]

Oh yawn.

Amazing how some interpret "there will not be alignment" as being "we will not be aligned at all".

There is a difference. We will not be members of the single market. We'll also not be members of the customs union.

This is very clear, and has been for ages. We will not be de facto rule takers, overseen by EU institutions.

Does this mean that we will, on principle, change every regulatory condition surrounding products and trade? Of course not!

Where there is benefit to parallel adoption (solely managed by our Government, and our regulatory/arbitration bodies), then we will maintain sufficiently 'aligned' regulations - just as occurs globally today. Hence I can supply a specific component within our product to every single nation on earth, bar six. They all recognise it as being sufficiently 'aligned' to their standards to be acceptable. Our overall integrated product has 99% common BoM globally - only changes to some power handling, pressure vessels and minor labelling changing between recipient customer nations.

This complete lack of understanding and soundbyte speeches/reporting is just ridiculous. To be fair, it's why politicians very rarely are involved in communicating stuff of this nature.

[Helicopter123]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Mrr T said:

Having announced the UK would move away from regulatory alignment with the EU it seems there has been a change of plan.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51228818

Good to know we have a government which knows what it is doing.

To be fair, Javid has always said there will be divergence if and where appropriate and that there will be brexit business winners and losers.

I thought that there would only be winners??

[Sway]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Vanden Saab said:

Did they insist on access to fishing waters in Canada before they signed a FTA with them?

Do they have access to Canadian waters previously?

Of course. If they were willing to register vessels in Canadian ports, and land their catches in Canadian facilities - and meet Canadian regs and stock management rules...

[Vanden Saab]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Vanden Saab said:

Did they insist on access to fishing waters in Canada before they signed a FTA with them?

Do they have access to Canadian waters previously?

Why is that relevant ?
Edit stupid autocorrect...

Edited by Vanden Saab on Saturday 25th January 13:29

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Sway said:

Of course. If they were willing to register vessels in Canadian ports, and land their catches in Canadian facilities - and meet Canadian regs and stock management rules...

That would be a no then.

So you are not comparing like with like.

[991_GT3]

Helicopter123 said:

Worrying, isn't it?

Did we vote for regulatory alignment or something else? Maybe someone could tell Boris?

Answering questions from UK chief executives at a Davos lunch, Mr Javid said that although the UK could not be a rule taker, for democratic reasons, "it doesn't mean we will diverge for the sake of it".

Business group the CBI welcomed the clarification that there could be scope for continued alignment for the car or chemicals industry. "It's good to have clarification that in terms of divergence from the EU, that will be when it is in the economic interests of the country".

That seems like common sense to me - we implement the rules that we believe are sensible. Pretty much what was promised.

Why does this worry you?

Edited by 991_GT3 on Saturday 25th January 13:38