How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Mrr T said:
I know reading and research is difficult for brexiters but you really should try harder. The research separates the issues for the small boats which make up the majority of fisherman from the large concerns. The issue for the small boats is they do not get enough quota. That was a UK decision not the EU. It also points out a majority of the small boat catch is exported mainly to the EU via lorry. So they needed continued easy access to the EU.
Perhaps if brexiters took more time on research they could lobby the UK government they elected to come up with sensible solutions.
Personal insults? Perhaps if brexiters took more time on research they could lobby the UK government they elected to come up with sensible solutions.
I read the article. "Only the EU can save us from ourselves"... yeah. The issues raised would be the same in or out of the EU. Brexit has certainly highlighted them, and for sure, the government could royally screw fishermen. I hope (and have some belief) that they wont.
As with agricultural subsidies, CAP and all the deeply embedded resource management that we undertake, imagining that there is some benign overseer we could nominate to make sure everybody gets a perfect life is just nonsense. At the same time, the current systems are recognised as being pretty broken - so let's take the brave step of examining our options.
Unfortunately, you won't find a single way of changing the existing (very broken) systems without disadvantaging people. From the largest corporation to the individual businessman, people adjust their lives to take best advantage of the current environment. So any change to that environment will create winners and losers. I'm all for the government considering radical approaches if they can lead to a net benefit, but I'm not under some illusion that no eggs will be broken.
So - meh. If you're looking for a poster child for the "Ills of Brexit", I think you're looking in the wrong place. I'll certainly lobby the government to get on with the job, and I'm rather pleased that they've got enough of a majority to risk changing the status quo.
I'm unaware of any "sensible solutions" you have ever posted to the long list of "computer says no" scenarios you have posted, other than the fantasy opposition of Brexit, which turns out to have been a failed quest. Come up with something that works and I'll happily endorse it. Otherwise, you're just throwing peanuts.
hutchst said:
But you wanted to talk about fishing. Changed your mind now?
No I wanted to talk about the claim that the decline of the UK fishing and costal regions was all the fault of the EU. Its much more complex than that and its clear much of the blame really rests with the UK government. Tuna said:
I'm unaware of any "sensible solutions" you have ever posted to the long list of "computer says no" scenarios you have posted, other than the fantasy opposition of Brexit, which turns out to have been a failed quest. Come up with something that works and I'll happily endorse it. Otherwise, you're just throwing peanuts.
I have consistently said the EFTA/EEA option with initially an agreement to match tarrifs would have been a way to leave with minimal downside.The UK could then evaluate the benefits and costs of ending the agreement on tarrifs. Ultimately the UK could leave the EFTA. But each step could be evaluated and sensible decisions taken.
Since brexiters have ignored my suggestion I do not feel I am required to resolve problems of their making.
Mrr T said:
I have consistently said the EFTA/EEA option with initially an agreement to match tarrifs would have been a way to leave with minimal downside.
The UK could then evaluate the benefits and costs of ending the agreement on tarrifs. Ultimately the UK could leave the EFTA. But each step could be evaluated and sensible decisions taken.
Since brexiters have ignored my suggestion I do not feel I am required to resolve problems of their making.
Awww, those pesky government agencies dont listen to you, how sad.The UK could then evaluate the benefits and costs of ending the agreement on tarrifs. Ultimately the UK could leave the EFTA. But each step could be evaluated and sensible decisions taken.
Since brexiters have ignored my suggestion I do not feel I am required to resolve problems of their making.
Dont like rolls said:
....the fishermanFriday night cannot come quick enough.
Now.. if that Irish bint tries to veto it - can we have some announcement that make her the focus of attention of thousands of Irish farmers.
Mrr T said:
I know reading and research is difficult for brexiters........
.............Perhaps if brexiters took more time on research......
As opposed to google search keywords for agenda.............Perhaps if brexiters took more time on research......
Find article with suitable bias
Skim read
Cut and Paste
Post on here
Pretend to have anything close to a clue.......
P. ONeill said:
Brexiteers can now look forward to pouring hundreds of Brexit 50p coins into NHS gaming machines, trying to get the little grabbing claw around some insulin before they fall into a diabetic coma.
P. O'Neill.
NHS gaming machines? P. O'Neill.
Will they be using prosthetic hands for the grabbing claw?
Skipped Meds again Padraig?
Mrr T said:
I have consistently said the EFTA/EEA option with initially an agreement to match tarrifs would have been a way to leave with minimal downside.
The UK could then evaluate the benefits and costs of ending the agreement on tarrifs. Ultimately the UK could leave the EFTA. But each step could be evaluated and sensible decisions taken.
Since brexiters have ignored my suggestion I do not feel I am required to resolve problems of their making.
You've consistently repeated Richard North's suggestions - which virtually no-one apart from Richard North has taken seriously. No-one has ignored your suggestions (what are you, the Queen?), they've quite reasonably identified that 'your idea' is not, and never has been on the table.The UK could then evaluate the benefits and costs of ending the agreement on tarrifs. Ultimately the UK could leave the EFTA. But each step could be evaluated and sensible decisions taken.
Since brexiters have ignored my suggestion I do not feel I am required to resolve problems of their making.
And pointing at planes (all grounded in 2019) and fishermen does nothing to further your suggestions, and shows that you have no meaningful solutions that aren't based in fantasy land.
Tuna said:
You've consistently repeated Richard North's suggestions - which virtually no-one apart from Richard North has taken seriously. No-one has ignored your suggestions (what are you, the Queen?), they've quite reasonably identified that 'your idea' is not, and never has been on the table.
And pointing at planes (all grounded in 2019) and fishermen does nothing to further your suggestions, and shows that you have no meaningful solutions that aren't based in fantasy land.
Most amusing bit? The old pre-ref posts saying he's really a leaver, if only someone proposed a workable method of leaving - so voted remain. Then jumped onto Flexcit post ref (which even I as a pre-ref proponent dropped as soon as it became fAnd pointing at planes (all grounded in 2019) and fishermen does nothing to further your suggestions, and shows that you have no meaningful solutions that aren't based in fantasy land.
king obvious a big chunk of the political class would use as a delaying method to ensure we didn't leave...).NoNeed said:
P. ONeill said:
Brexiteers can now look forward to pouring hundreds of Brexit 50p coins into NHS gaming machines, trying to get the little grabbing claw around some insulin before they fall into a diabetic coma.
P. O'Neill.
You really are thickP. O'Neill.
Dont like rolls said:
NoNeed said:
P. ONeill said:
Brexiteers can now look forward to pouring hundreds of Brexit 50p coins into NHS gaming machines, trying to get the little grabbing claw around some insulin before they fall into a diabetic coma.
P. O'Neill.
You really are thickP. O'Neill.
Edited by NoNeed on Sunday 26th January 21:19
Sway said:
Tuna said:
You've consistently repeated Richard North's suggestions - which virtually no-one apart from Richard North has taken seriously. No-one has ignored your suggestions (what are you, the Queen?), they've quite reasonably identified that 'your idea' is not, and never has been on the table.
And pointing at planes (all grounded in 2019) and fishermen does nothing to further your suggestions, and shows that you have no meaningful solutions that aren't based in fantasy land.
Most amusing bit? The old pre-ref posts saying he's really a leaver, if only someone proposed a workable method of leaving - so voted remain. Then jumped onto Flexcit post ref (which even I as a pre-ref proponent dropped as soon as it became fAnd pointing at planes (all grounded in 2019) and fishermen does nothing to further your suggestions, and shows that you have no meaningful solutions that aren't based in fantasy land.
king obvious a big chunk of the political class would use as a delaying method to ensure we didn't leave...).Where I disagree is the ongoing attitude. I favoured something similar to Flexcit though disagreed with North in a few areas, but essentially not sufficiently different to fall out. However it became clear for various reasons that things were not going to go that way, and so as an adult you accept the developing situation and work with it. But it appears so many aren't adult and just continue to throw their pram contents out and chuck up any obstacle to anything. See DeepEnd nee ///ajd meltdowns, and similarly some of T's hollyhocks.
By the way latest in Remainer cry baby antics, announcing by various going to refuse to use the Brexit 50p coins. Alistair Campbell has said if he gets a 50p coin in his change he will insist on the shopkeeper replacing it with two twenties and a ten. If I ran a shop I'd be stocking up on 1p coins and giving the pillocks their 50p change in a loose pile of dirty ones, not even shiny new coins.
I bought the Observer today to see how they were handling the event.
Toys. Pram.
Given that most of it was opinion pieces, I cannot really understand how a newspaper can sustain a position that helps absolutely no-one. It's the most nihilistic, unproductive, negative attitude possible, offering readers no way out of the death spiral.
If you've been fed a diet of that for the last three years, I don't know how you'd manage to drag your weary bones out of bed in the morning - you've been talked down, all hope removed and every avenue forward rejected. It makes sense of how some people post on here, there really is no room for any other viewpoint, and the politics are painted such that anyone saying otherwise is "the enemy".
Toys. Pram.
Given that most of it was opinion pieces, I cannot really understand how a newspaper can sustain a position that helps absolutely no-one. It's the most nihilistic, unproductive, negative attitude possible, offering readers no way out of the death spiral.
If you've been fed a diet of that for the last three years, I don't know how you'd manage to drag your weary bones out of bed in the morning - you've been talked down, all hope removed and every avenue forward rejected. It makes sense of how some people post on here, there really is no room for any other viewpoint, and the politics are painted such that anyone saying otherwise is "the enemy".
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