How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Nickgnome said:
WinstonWolf said:
Don't tell me, you've got the BSc (Hons) in Surf Science and Technology that is being offered by Plymouth?
You are correct. I haven’t. What relevance is that to anything.
There were many classical degrees which may seem very odd to the narrow minded. It’s about the learning though, not just the subject.
Had the policy been to make as many science or classics degrees available to the less privileged- and we upskilled that way; possibly we'd be seeing better economic results. All we have now is many, many times the number of grads chasing too few grad jobs. Many will take lower skilled roles with crippling debt.
This is seen in many grad testimony and recent firm hiring policies. Hes not talking about your experience from moons ago when we didn't have the massive proliferation of courses available (of course many new courses maybe highly relevent - just not the high number of spaces).
Ridgemont said:
The ‘speech’ such as it was. Crass.
https://youtu.be/RBMvZRf9Scs
Dan Hannah had a bit more grace.
https://youtu.be/PvckzDuiaf8
Having watched most of the speeches some of it was a right old mix of blustering nonsense, tears, anger. Some of it was touching. But my overwhelming sense is the sheer inability of the actual institutions to actually consider an alternative future for the EU which doesn’t involve closer integration and more union. Which means nothing has been learned.
Well, if there is 1 hopeful upside - he's no longer relevent. Geriatric Love Island awaits him.https://youtu.be/RBMvZRf9Scs
Dan Hannah had a bit more grace.
https://youtu.be/PvckzDuiaf8
Having watched most of the speeches some of it was a right old mix of blustering nonsense, tears, anger. Some of it was touching. But my overwhelming sense is the sheer inability of the actual institutions to actually consider an alternative future for the EU which doesn’t involve closer integration and more union. Which means nothing has been learned.
stongle said:
Its relevent to the quantity of Mickey Mouse joke degree subjects on offer these days. The Blairite policy of pushing near enough everyone they can through higher education didn't upskill the nation, just delay many very average people entering the work space.
Had the policy been to make as many science or classics degrees available to the less privileged- and we upskilled that way; possibly we'd be seeing better economic results. All we have now is many, many times the number of grads chasing too few grad jobs. Many will take lower skilled roles with crippling debt.
+1Had the policy been to make as many science or classics degrees available to the less privileged- and we upskilled that way; possibly we'd be seeing better economic results. All we have now is many, many times the number of grads chasing too few grad jobs. Many will take lower skilled roles with crippling debt.
stongle said:
Nickgnome said:
WinstonWolf said:
Don't tell me, you've got the BSc (Hons) in Surf Science and Technology that is being offered by Plymouth?
You are correct. I haven’t. What relevance is that to anything.
There were many classical degrees which may seem very odd to the narrow minded. It’s about the learning though, not just the subject.
Had the policy been to make as many science or classics degrees available to the less privileged- and we upskilled that way; possibly we'd be seeing better economic results. All we have now is many, many times the number of grads chasing too few grad jobs. Many will take lower skilled roles with crippling debt.
This is seen in many grad testimony and recent firm hiring policies. Hes not talking about your experience from moons ago when we didn't have the massive proliferation of courses available (of course many new courses maybe highly relevent - just not the high number of spaces).
Various governments long before Blair fiddled with education and training , often to the detriment of the intended outcome. Traditional Apprenticeships all but ceased and have never really been replaced adequately.
If your going to criticise particular course you will need to list a few and their curricular. Surely you must recall some of the more obscure classical courses that were available through the last half of the last century. The course were about the learning. I have no objection to that. Vocational degrees can be a bit narrow.
We had a policy of employing some grads and an equivalent number of undergrads, who undertook distance learning/sandwich degrees. The undergrads tended to be less opinionated and were easily the equal and more often better than those we employed as grads straight from uni, once they’d qualified and passed TPC.
It seems perhaps some consultancies were a bit slow to catch on.
slipstream 1985 said:
FN2TypeR said:
What an absolute knacker Farage is
"Good is a point of view"I for one think he has done well and if it doesnt work and we came begging back for whatever reason the EU would welcoe us with open arms.
Interesting to see how facts bring out some interesting chips on shoulders about education.
In other news, calls for certain flags to be banned.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/expre...
A bit unnecessary surely.
In other news, calls for certain flags to be banned.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/expre...
A bit unnecessary surely.
Helicopter123 said:
dickymint said:
Just watched Farage's final speech in the European Parliament (UK withdrawal debate) - pure class 
They don’t like it up ‘em, do they?Are you pleased that we’ve finally taught “Johnny foreigner” a lesson?
Jimboka said:
REALIST123 said:
Shouldn’t be a problem. If you can’t hack it here, move to one of the remaining EU countries.
Strange how the brexiterrs didn’t flee the ‘undemocratic EU superstate’ in the last few decadesI suppose they couldn’t, as would have lost their benefits
Troubleatmill said:
DAVEVO9 said:
dickymint said:
Just watched Farage's final speech in the European Parliament (UK withdrawal debate) - pure class
Brilliant Irish b
h got a bit stroppy lol 
The fact I have no idea who she is, is Ironic.
Well done Nige a job well done.
stongle said:
Ridgemont said:
The ‘speech’ such as it was. Crass.
https://youtu.be/RBMvZRf9Scs
Dan Hannah had a bit more grace.
https://youtu.be/PvckzDuiaf8
Having watched most of the speeches some of it was a right old mix of blustering nonsense, tears, anger. Some of it was touching. But my overwhelming sense is the sheer inability of the actual institutions to actually consider an alternative future for the EU which doesn’t involve closer integration and more union. Which means nothing has been learned.
Well, if there is 1 hopeful upside - he's no longer relevent. Geriatric Love Island awaits him.https://youtu.be/RBMvZRf9Scs
Dan Hannah had a bit more grace.
https://youtu.be/PvckzDuiaf8
Having watched most of the speeches some of it was a right old mix of blustering nonsense, tears, anger. Some of it was touching. But my overwhelming sense is the sheer inability of the actual institutions to actually consider an alternative future for the EU which doesn’t involve closer integration and more union. Which means nothing has been learned.
Agreed, Danial Hannan was much more measured even when making some of the same points.
Nickgnome said:
It’s completely different issue as to whether we are sending too many students to university, when more vocational training would be more suitable.
Various governments long before Blair fiddled with education and training , often to the detriment of the intended outcome. Traditional Apprenticeships all but ceased and have never really been replaced adequately.
If your going to criticise particular course you will need to list a few and their curricular. Surely you must recall some of the more obscure classical courses that were available through the last half of the last century. The course were about the learning. I have no objection to that. Vocational degrees can be a bit narrow.
We had a policy of employing some grads and an equivalent number of undergrads, who undertook distance learning/sandwich degrees. The undergrads tended to be less opinionated and were easily the equal and more often better than those we employed as grads straight from uni, once they’d qualified and passed TPC.
It seems perhaps some consultancies were a bit slow to catch on.
It was relevent to the stats and discussion at hand. The rest I agree with. Vocational training is vital and a massive incentive to staff. My policy is to employ on aptitude first. Sure, if I need a Quant it's a degree qualification required. Otherwise, I'd tend to look for someone I can grow onto a role with right investment and training.Various governments long before Blair fiddled with education and training , often to the detriment of the intended outcome. Traditional Apprenticeships all but ceased and have never really been replaced adequately.
If your going to criticise particular course you will need to list a few and their curricular. Surely you must recall some of the more obscure classical courses that were available through the last half of the last century. The course were about the learning. I have no objection to that. Vocational degrees can be a bit narrow.
We had a policy of employing some grads and an equivalent number of undergrads, who undertook distance learning/sandwich degrees. The undergrads tended to be less opinionated and were easily the equal and more often better than those we employed as grads straight from uni, once they’d qualified and passed TPC.
It seems perhaps some consultancies were a bit slow to catch on.
And I'll give you 2 for 2, what a prize
farage was today.
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