How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

[crankedup]

Jimbeaux said:

In the old days you would have just pointed the wooden ship fleet East and negotiated. We have to be all sophisticated now.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Borghetto said:

Luckily they don't employ you as a financial advisor. Given your howler regarding the divorce payments to the EU, I'm surprised you've got the brass neck to pop up again with your "expert" opinions.

Is that the £39bn that the EU demanded we pay to get a FTA?

The world moves so fast I forget.

[Digga]

stongle said:

Helicopter123 said:

True, but then you might have expected him to say so?

Who, Fox or the guys at the FCA and BoE (Cunliffe and Woods?). The later, should be politically independent. Ish.

In a negotiation start up it's normal to ask for everything, but if you whack a political option in as a precursor to pretty much everything- it appears one side is acting in a slightly petulant manner. We offered up equivalence and cooperation, and regulatory landing zones. The EC is insisting on the 30 day withdrawal, that pretty much no one in Finance and certainly team UK thinks is a good idea. It's a political redline, not a considered one. Of course they are entirely entitled to ask for moon on a stick, but this area is one with larger considerations. I can't be sure Fox knows this, it might just be happy consequence he guessed and landed on the correct answer. Who knows.

The 30 day withdrawal is idiotic and symptomatic of an organisation out of touch with financial reality.

It would hurt the EU nearly as much as the UK to have that Sword of Damocles dangling over FS.

[hutchst]

Jimbeaux said:

In the old days you would have just pointed the wooden ship fleet East West and negotiated. We have to be all sophisticated now.

That's better.

[Mrr T]

crankedup said:

Governments new immigration policy published today, much of which has been known for weeks, but now confirmed. A quick google las it all out. Pleased to see a more realistic wage baseline at
£25600 annual which indicates that the U.K. will no longer continue on the low wage economy route
inviting in just about anybody who wants access. It will also be the start point ending credit payments to low cost employment, about time some will say, including me.
So this major announcement draws a line in the rock, no more FOM but a warm welcome to those
that bring the skills required by U.K. business. Some exceptions will be made in certain sectors and as we now (end of 2020) have the control on immigration will be able to adjust as we require.

We know agriculture is highly dependant on EU immigrants to pick crops. As is the care sector. All of those jobs will be below the minimum, which is actually average earnings in most parts of the EU. According to our great Home Secretary the shortfall will be filled by the economically inactive. I believe you are retired will you be picking crops or wiping bums?

[silentbrown]

crankedup said:

Governments new immigration policy published today, much of which has been known for weeks, but now confirmed. A quick google las it all out. Pleased to see a more realistic wage baseline at
£25600 annual which indicates that the U.K. will no longer continue on the low wage economy route
inviting in just about anybody who wants access. It will also be the start point ending credit payments to low cost employment, about time some will say, including me.
So this major announcement draws a line in the rock, no more FOM but a warm welcome to those
that bring the skills required by U.K. business. Some exceptions will be made in certain sectors and as we now (end of 2020) have the control on immigration will be able to adjust as we require.

NFU aren't impressed. https://www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/nfu-res...

[Jimbeaux]

hutchst said:

That's better.

I see what you did there! How’d that work out for you in the long run?
Take a cue from the Dutch and damn the channel (and Chunnel).

[Jimbeaux]

Mrr T said:

We know agriculture is highly dependant on EU immigrants to pick crops. As is the care sector. All of those jobs will be below the minimum, which is actually average earnings in most parts of the EU. According to our great Home Secretary the shortfall will be filled by the economically inactive. I believe you are retired will you be picking crops or wiping bums?

This is interesting. We are proposing similar changes in a minimum self sustainability for entrance. That would preclude migrant workers who pick crops (which we need in the U.S.). We have special seasonal visas specifically for crop work. I assume you would do similar as a way around you higher standard for permanent entry?

[hutchst]

Jimbeaux said:

I see what you did there! How’d that work out for you in the long run?
Take a cue from the Dutch and damn the channel (and Chunnel).

We didn't get Trump. How did it work out for y'all?

[Jimbeaux]

hutchst said:

We didn't get Trump. How did it work out for y'all?

I think it’s going well (as he types at a red Light in his Merc running on $1.89/gallon petrol).

[s2art]

Jimbeaux said:

Mrr T said:

We know agriculture is highly dependant on EU immigrants to pick crops. As is the care sector. All of those jobs will be below the minimum, which is actually average earnings in most parts of the EU. According to our great Home Secretary the shortfall will be filled by the economically inactive. I believe you are retired will you be picking crops or wiping bums?

This is interesting. We are proposing similar changes in a minimum self sustainability for entrance. That would preclude migrant workers who pick crops (which we need in the U.S.). We have special seasonal visas specifically for crop work. I assume you would do similar as a way around you higher standard for permanent entry?

Correct. As we did before FoM.

[silentbrown]

s2art said:

Correct. As we did before FoM.

70,000 needed. We're allowing 10,000

[s2art]

silentbrown said:

s2art said:

Correct. As we did before FoM.

70,000 needed. We're allowing 10,000

And that can change.

[Sway]

Mrr T said:

crankedup said:

Governments new immigration policy published today, much of which has been known for weeks, but now confirmed. A quick google las it all out. Pleased to see a more realistic wage baseline at
£25600 annual which indicates that the U.K. will no longer continue on the low wage economy route
inviting in just about anybody who wants access. It will also be the start point ending credit payments to low cost employment, about time some will say, including me.
So this major announcement draws a line in the rock, no more FOM but a warm welcome to those
that bring the skills required by U.K. business. Some exceptions will be made in certain sectors and as we now (end of 2020) have the control on immigration will be able to adjust as we require.

We know agriculture is highly dependant on EU immigrants to pick crops. As is the care sector. All of those jobs will be below the minimum, which is actually average earnings in most parts of the EU. According to our great Home Secretary the shortfall will be filled by the economically inactive. I believe you are retired will you be picking crops or wiping bums?

Or we automate (as my old employer did, leading to a series of national level awards).

Which also increases productivity.

Win win. Do people really dream of spending their working lives picking lettuce? Do office workers harken back to weaving by candle light in their cottages?

[DeepEnd]

s2art said:

silentbrown said:

s2art said:

Correct. As we did before FoM.

70,000 needed. We're allowing 10,000

And that can change.

So we let in the same as before but with more paperwork and resentment.

[silentbrown]

s2art said:

silentbrown said:

70,000 needed. We're allowing 10,000

And that can change.

Well, the 10,000 has just been quadrupled from 2,500
I think automation's not going have any impact for at least a decade. Interesting times..

[s2art]

DeepEnd said:

s2art said:

silentbrown said:

s2art said:

Correct. As we did before FoM.

70,000 needed. We're allowing 10,000

And that can change.

So we let in the same as before but with more paperwork and resentment.

The system worked just fine for many, many years before FoM.

[paulrockliffe]

Lots of froth, but I thought the most interesting element of recent developments was that every EU country has lobbed their own grenade into their negotiating mandate. Will be interesting to see how EU unity goes when the someone points out that no one gives a fk about the Elgin Marbles apart from Greece and maybe that one can be traded away.

As it stands, the EU's mandate leads only to no further agreement doesn't it?

[hutchst]

Jimbeaux said:

I think it’s going well (as he types at a red Light in his Merc running on $1.89/gallon petrol).

That much (as he types at a red light in his Land Cruiser running on $1.50/gallon petrol)

[gooner1]

DeepEnd said:

So we let in the same as before but with more paperwork and resentment.

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You can increase your resentment? Wow.