How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)

[loafer123]

Vanden Saab said:

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

I suspect someone pointed out how close Ireland is to Northern Ireland.

Still a highly misleading graph, according to statisticians.

[Sway]

DeepEnd said:

Sway said:

DeepEnd said:

Sway said:

I don't need to - by your own admission it requires interpretation to get to the claim you've made.

Just as your continued assertions regarding my posts on a completely separate thread require not just interpretation, but immense leaps...

When did you stop beating your wife?

Still with the wife stuff?

Have you now stopped equating Sabinsky’s eugenic beliefs about black people and immigration, to “just being like Cat 2 I invented about trying to cure specific diseases, i.e. basically sounds OK”.

Not the same is it?

Inventing quotes now DE?

Feel free to clarify with your actual category definitions.

The definitions I put forward regarding different types of eugenics are a matter of record.

Only you have applied Sabisky's views to them (incorrectly) and invented quotes you're claiming I made.

Liar.

[Garvin]

loafer123 said:

Ironic laughter?

On queue, up he pops to absolute prove, without a shadow of a doubt, the veracity of my post, particularly the bits he did not put in bold.

[Sway]

Vanden Saab said:

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

They seem to have taken on board the criticism of using 'bubble' diameter instead of area to denote the level of 'trade integration'.

Still meaningless, and a complete reversal compared to the well cited 'staircase' with a big green tick under the typical FTA 'step'...

[anonymous-user]

Sway said:

Vanden Saab said:

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

They seem to have taken on board the criticism of using 'bubble' diameter instead of area to denote the level of 'trade integration'.

Still meaningless, and a complete reversal compared to the well cited 'staircase' with a big green tick under the typical FTA 'step'...

Graphically they've got us cornered! LOL!

[Sophisticated Sarah]

Vantagemech.. said:

Could someone explain how the majority of remain voters got to think that those who voted to leave the EU automatically want to see the collapse of the remaining member states, their businesses and employees lose their jobs?
The EU doesnt run these companies, though it would appear they themselves will be the instigators in any collapse in trade.

Because some of them are desperate to see the U.K. collapse in order to prove they’re right. Therefore they assume that anyone who voted differently wants the same to happen to the EU (I guess).

[Vanden Saab]

Sway said:

Vanden Saab said:

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

They seem to have taken on board the criticism of using 'bubble' diameter instead of area to denote the level of 'trade integration'.

Still meaningless, and a complete reversal compared to the well cited 'staircase' with a big green tick under the typical FTA 'step'...

And still wrong according to Harry Chisholm who made his own accurate version with a few more countries on it



It gives a very clear picture of the position the EU would be in without having a FTA with us and the 3 other countries it does so much of its trade with.....

[Crackie]

DeepEnd said:

Sway said:

DeepEnd said:

It comes across from the tone of various posts here and elsewhere.

PS it was a quote sway but it was from one of the angrier posters.

Uncited, and by your own admission interpreted to mean what you asserted it does...

Besides, I believe the word "many" was applied to the number of posters wishing to see the EU collapse.

Bit silly to make claims about posters on this board you can't back up, isn't it?

You can find it easily enough.

You’ll probably invent categories to excuse that behaviour too.

Anyone seen the guy next to the angry QT immigration lady (from Kent who has never seen an immigrant)? He is the RoW looking at the UK!

Find it and post it up then...…...if the evidence is there it should be criticised accordingly. I suspect that, once again, your over active imagination is exaggerating wildly.

"He is the ROW looking at the UK." That is remarkably similar to the kind of "leaders of all the other countries in the world are laughing at us" ar5e gravy that Topstuff used to spout.

What happened to him, is he still away on his round the world trip gathering evidence to back up his over active imagination...…….

Edited by Crackie on Sunday 23 February 11:06

[amusingduck]

Vanden Saab said:

FiF said:

I must confess I am somewhat bemused by Brussellian logic here. In response to David Frost's speech together with the supportive comment from No10 around the Barnier staircase and Canada deal posted earlier in the thread, they have now released the slide below. It purports to show a x/y plot of sorts showing size of trade with a partner relative to geography and trade integration, however that is defined. Also please note the very carefully selected y axis value range, Lol.

So on the one hand they are saying trade with the UK is really really REALLY important, but on the other hand they are willing to risk that by imposing conditions significantly more onerous than any imposed on other trading partners. Dumb.

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

Surely not, some EU idiot defended the original and said there was no mistake

[Vanden Saab]

Crackie said:

Find it and post it up then...…...if the evidence is there it should be criticised accordingly. I suspect that, once again, your over active imagination is exaggerating wildly.

"He is the ROW looking at the UK." That is remarkably similar to the kind of "leaders of all the other countries in the world are laughing at us" ar5e gravy that Topstuff used to spout.

What happened to him, is he still away on his round the world trip gathering evidence to back up his over active imagination...…….

I miss his updates on what Argentinian taxi drivers thought of Brexit...

[Garvin]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

Vantagemech.. said:

Could someone explain how the majority of remain voters got to think that those who voted to leave the EU automatically want to see the collapse of the remaining member states, their businesses and employees lose their jobs?
The EU doesnt run these companies, though it would appear they themselves will be the instigators in any collapse in trade.

Because some of them are desperate to see the U.K. collapse in order to prove they’re right. Therefore they assume that anyone who voted differently wants the same to happen to the EU (I guess).

They make the mistake of thinking that everyone else thinks as they do. Therefore, their desire to see the UK suffer is transferred to Brexiteers re the EU countries. They also consistently see the EU as a single 'country' and can't comprehend the difference between an overarching political construct and the individual countries. They also remain (pun intended) upset at the UK leaving the EU.

This is why a lot of those posters, and one in particular, continually use terms such as racist, angry, zealot etc., etc. These are their own emotions transferred onto others in their narrow minded world.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

Was someone handing out free hallucinogenic drugs today and I missed out?

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

Vanden Saab said:

FiF said:

I must confess I am somewhat bemused by Brussellian logic here. In response to David Frost's speech together with the supportive comment from No10 around the Barnier staircase and Canada deal posted earlier in the thread, they have now released the slide below. It purports to show a x/y plot of sorts showing size of trade with a partner relative to geography and trade integration, however that is defined. Also please note the very carefully selected y axis value range, Lol.

So on the one hand they are saying trade with the UK is really really REALLY important, but on the other hand they are willing to risk that by imposing conditions significantly more onerous than any imposed on other trading partners. Dumb.

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

Surely not, some EU idiot defended the original and said there was no mistake

There was no mistake as it was done by design!
Make our spot look as large as possible (rad or dia instead of area) bold colour, reverse the y axis so we look closest to the origin (EU centre of gravity!) and so it doesn't elevate our spot to suggest we're doing well in any kind of performance or importance comparison, chuck in a little one like Chile to reinforce the intended context and lastly miss off some key 'big hitters' to reduce actual context.
It's good for a laugh.

[barryrs]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Does DeepEnd beat is wife then?

The glint in his eyes is inconclusive!

[166 MM Barchetta]

Stay in Bed Instead said:

Was someone handing out free hallucinogenic drugs today and I missed out?

You overslept.............

Although I sometimes feel mescaline would be helpful when trying to even come close to a point of understanding why some of these posts are made.

[FiF]

Vanden Saab said:

Sway said:

Vanden Saab said:

Is it me or has the bubble graph changed?...

They seem to have taken on board the criticism of using 'bubble' diameter instead of area to denote the level of 'trade integration'.

Still meaningless, and a complete reversal compared to the well cited 'staircase' with a big green tick under the typical FTA 'step'...

And still wrong according to Harry Chisholm who made his own accurate version with a few more countries on it



It gives a very clear picture of the position the EU would be in without having a FTA with us and the 3 other countries it does so much of its trade with.....

Exactly, original complaints made now justified. The stupid thing is that in trying to spin the situation with the original graph they just emphasised the importance of UK trade, plus gave the excuse to accusations of liar liar pants on fire. Yet with an accurate representation the UK trade doesn't stand out so much in the picture, and of less relative importance. However on the other hand it also demonstrates that you don't necessarily need an across the board agreement to have decent trade volumes. Six of one, half a dozen of other, except EU now proven untrustworthy with facts.

[stongle]

Sophisticated Sarah said:

Because some of them are desperate to see the U.K. collapse in order to prove they’re right. Therefore they assume that anyone who voted differently wants the same to happen to the EU (I guess).

Good post.

[Stay in Bed Instead]

stongle said:

Sophisticated Sarah said:

Because some of them are desperate to see the U.K. collapse in order to prove they’re right. Therefore they assume that anyone who voted differently wants the same to happen to the EU (I guess).

Good post.

Nah, just leaver paranoia to me.

[anonymous-user]

stongle said:

Good post.

It really isn’t

I don’t think anybody has said anything about wanting the UK to fail never mind being desperate e to see it happen.

It’s bks. Jingoistic, Daily Mail fodder bks that conflates a remain vote with a lack of patriotism.

It’s an approach adopted uniquely by the terminally hard of thinking.

Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 23 February 13:39

[Sway]

Coolbanana has said it recently, so that we can learn from our mistake.