How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Coolbananas said:
janesmith1950 said:
I think the Europeans have got bigger problems than negotiating with us.
They can't even agree on a new budget, with the northern countries wanting to reduce their exposure to the shortfall our leaving has created and the southern ones demanding they still get their cash whatever.
It's all going to fall apart because it's a silly idea to mesh together tightly such differently performing nations.
No, you are projecting without understanding the processes of what is normal negotiation within the EU. They can't even agree on a new budget, with the northern countries wanting to reduce their exposure to the shortfall our leaving has created and the southern ones demanding they still get their cash whatever.
It's all going to fall apart because it's a silly idea to mesh together tightly such differently performing nations.
Do you think such haggles are unprecedented? Of course its always going to be challenge, but only quitters and those with limited ambition give up. Of course each member will want to protect its own interests as far as possible, this is to be expected. This isn't like going to Sainsbury's and accepting the prices as they are, this is a high level barter for the best deal with each country arguing its case in light of a new arrangement. In the end, an amicable solution will be found but this is a process that has to be followed. It also has nothing to do with you in the UK now, you wanted to leave, you have, so off you go and find something else to whinge about.
I'd love the EU to tell you the UK sod off now - it needs to learn that the EU does not need the UK nearly as much as it thinks it does.
His comment is in relation to future U.K./Eu trading relationship.
I don’t any anything in this that states he wants the UK to fail.
Brooking10 said:
stongle said:
Good post.
It really isn’t I don’t think anybody has said anything about wanting the UK to fail never mind being separate to see it happen.
It’s b
ks. Jingoistic, Daily Mail fodder bks that conflates a remain vote with a lack of patriotism.It’s an approach adopted uniquely by the terminally hard of thinking.
Vantagemech.. said:
soupdragon1 said:
Do you use twitter?
Majority is the wrong word though. Just some. I think for the most part, contributors to this thread have an understanding of how it all works that loosely ranges from medium right through to strong. Outside of this thread though, in the twitter sphere, it's pretty grim reading, no matter what lens you look through.
Lots of evidence of British people wanting Ireland to collapse for example and likewise, lots of British people actually wanting the UK to collapse - just so they can say 'told you so'. People actively searching for some sort of victory, no matter how hollow that victory is. Complete lunacy!
I did once but dont particularly care for it. One thing about social meedya is the cross section - IE in there isnt really one. Thus the most vocal and perhaps extreme (in all directions) use it as their soapbox. If for example you based the result of the last GE on SM rants and hate, Corbyn would now be in No10.... Majority is the wrong word though. Just some. I think for the most part, contributors to this thread have an understanding of how it all works that loosely ranges from medium right through to strong. Outside of this thread though, in the twitter sphere, it's pretty grim reading, no matter what lens you look through.
Lots of evidence of British people wanting Ireland to collapse for example and likewise, lots of British people actually wanting the UK to collapse - just so they can say 'told you so'. People actively searching for some sort of victory, no matter how hollow that victory is. Complete lunacy!
Lots of nastiness about how the Brits can f
k off and references to those who support the U.K. being “West Brits” The SF voice is very vocal much like the Scots nats
There are bigots everywhere unfortunately and Twitter/fb/social media gives them a voice
However outside their echo chambers they are a minority
Thankfully
DeepEnd said:
Brooking10 said:
stongle said:
Good post.
It really isn’t I don’t think anybody has said anything about wanting the UK to fail never mind being separate to see it happen.
It’s b
ks. Jingoistic, Daily Mail fodder bks that conflates a remain vote with a lack of patriotism.It’s an approach adopted uniquely by the terminally hard of thinking.
Earthdweller said:
The damage to the EU is being done BY the EU
The U.K. has by a democracy denied all across the EU voted to leave the Political construct, not Europe, but an imposed, not asked for, supra national layer of Governance
It is clear that throughout Europe there is a disconnect between the people and the project
In the UK that had manifested itself in Brexit
But the people aren’t happy with the way things are going and the way the elite are riding roughshod over them.
The EU has an answer to the problem .. that is more EU .. more centralisation.. more control
The people actually want less EU .. less centralisation and less control
It’s a conundrum.. and one which is like a slow train wreck .. it’s coming down the track, I don’t think the EU are in control and I don’t think they can stop it
At some point there’ll be an impact .. how big the wreck will be remains to be seen
I’m just glad the U.K. has turned off the track and hopefully can avoid the debris from the wreck
Searching for the ‘Like’ button. Repeated in case it got missed by all the bickering.The U.K. has by a democracy denied all across the EU voted to leave the Political construct, not Europe, but an imposed, not asked for, supra national layer of Governance
It is clear that throughout Europe there is a disconnect between the people and the project
In the UK that had manifested itself in Brexit
But the people aren’t happy with the way things are going and the way the elite are riding roughshod over them.
The EU has an answer to the problem .. that is more EU .. more centralisation.. more control
The people actually want less EU .. less centralisation and less control
It’s a conundrum.. and one which is like a slow train wreck .. it’s coming down the track, I don’t think the EU are in control and I don’t think they can stop it
At some point there’ll be an impact .. how big the wreck will be remains to be seen
I’m just glad the U.K. has turned off the track and hopefully can avoid the debris from the wreck
Sway said:
The definitions I put forward regarding different types of eugenics are a matter of record.
Only you have applied Sabisky's views to them (incorrectly) and invented quotes you're claiming I made.
Liar.
Now now, a tad revisionist there Sway.Only you have applied Sabisky's views to them (incorrectly) and invented quotes you're claiming I made.
Liar.
You came up with three Cats.
Your Cat 2 was medically orientated about genetic conditions and their avoidance. You stated “most Sabinsky comments” were in this category and twice made a rather defensive reference to it being a Swedish model.
Your Cat 3 was basically just killing people leaving not much room for whether Sabinsky is rather more awful than Swedish model. Which was interesting in itself.
Most would conclude Sabinsky’s choice of fake science about race and IQ and therefore dodgy racist immigration policy is much much worse than some Cat 2 / Swedish model.
Clarify your position as you see fit.
Brooking10 said:
stongle said:
Good post.
It really isn’t I don’t think anybody has said anything about wanting the UK to fail never mind being desperate e to see it happen.
It’s b
ks. Jingoistic, Daily Mail fodder bks that conflates a remain vote with a lack of patriotism.It’s an approach adopted uniquely by the terminally hard of thinking.
Edited by Brooking10 on Sunday 23 February 13:39
Mention of enjoying the Schadenfreude of leave voters not getting the Brexit they hoped for. The sentiment is there, one of putting the enjoyment of being proven right above the success of our nation.
Brooking10 said:
Pan Pan Pan said:
No it really isn't, it is just the view of someone who wanted to the UK to remain in the EU, but didn't get what they wanted.
That doesn’t even make sense.Brooking10 said:
stongle said:
Good post.
It really isn’t I don’t think anybody has said anything about wanting the UK to fail never mind being desperate e to see it happen.
It’s b
ks. Jingoistic, Daily Mail fodder bks that conflates a remain vote with a lack of patriotism.It’s an approach adopted uniquely by the terminally hard of thinking.
Edited by Brooking10 on Sunday 23 February 13:39
No one has produced evidence of people wanting the EU to fail, nor is contagion something just invented in the last pages. The inevitable bail in and contagion of any EU crisis is why many have wanted out (and we have debated for years). Its a level of insulation, but no way a safety blanket. Claiming people said otherwise is nonsense, and falls into the same vein of the usual bile DE and H123 produce calling millions of voters racist or thick. Or wanting to see the UK get a taste of poor deal from the EU. Evidently lots of remainers think they know better than regulatory bodies both here and in the EU too. The level of arrogance and ignorance is astounding. It's getting to such a stage where we may as well all scream "liar, liar pants on fire". It's the level of debate DE is dragging us down too.
DeepEnd said:
Still with the wife thing?
I’ve direct quoted you now on the Cummings thread so suggest you choke on your own words over there and stop clogging up this thread with your apologetic nonsense.
I've replied pointing out, yet again, that you cannot comprehend simple written English. I’ve direct quoted you now on the Cummings thread so suggest you choke on your own words over there and stop clogging up this thread with your apologetic nonsense.
As for 'clogging up this thread' - you're the one that has continually brought the topic here! You have absolutely zero self awareness - and yes, I'll keep asking you the loaded question (which you've still not answered, therefore by your logic...) whilst you keep inventing quotes, misrepresenting other's comments, and applying loaded questions/statements.
I'll continue hoisting you by your petard, and everyone can continue to see you bleating like a whiny poppet as you complain about it whilst doing the same thing...
Sway said:
I've replied pointing out, yet again, that you cannot comprehend simple written English.
As for 'clogging up this thread' - you're the one that has continually brought the topic here! You have absolutely zero self awareness - and yes, I'll keep asking you the loaded question (which you've still not answered, therefore by your logic...) whilst you keep inventing quotes, misrepresenting other's comments, and applying loaded questions/statements.
I'll continue hoisting you by your petard, and everyone can continue to see you bleating like a whiny poppet as you complain about it whilst doing the same thing...
Take a look in the mirror while you are at it.As for 'clogging up this thread' - you're the one that has continually brought the topic here! You have absolutely zero self awareness - and yes, I'll keep asking you the loaded question (which you've still not answered, therefore by your logic...) whilst you keep inventing quotes, misrepresenting other's comments, and applying loaded questions/statements.
I'll continue hoisting you by your petard, and everyone can continue to see you bleating like a whiny poppet as you complain about it whilst doing the same thing...
This thread is not your personal battle ground so please stop.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Sway said:
I've replied pointing out, yet again, that you cannot comprehend simple written English.
As for 'clogging up this thread' - you're the one that has continually brought the topic here! You have absolutely zero self awareness - and yes, I'll keep asking you the loaded question (which you've still not answered, therefore by your logic...) whilst you keep inventing quotes, misrepresenting other's comments, and applying loaded questions/statements.
I'll continue hoisting you by your petard, and everyone can continue to see you bleating like a whiny poppet as you complain about it whilst doing the same thing...
Take a look in the mirror while you are at it.As for 'clogging up this thread' - you're the one that has continually brought the topic here! You have absolutely zero self awareness - and yes, I'll keep asking you the loaded question (which you've still not answered, therefore by your logic...) whilst you keep inventing quotes, misrepresenting other's comments, and applying loaded questions/statements.
I'll continue hoisting you by your petard, and everyone can continue to see you bleating like a whiny poppet as you complain about it whilst doing the same thing...
This thread is not your personal battle ground so please stop.
Both rebuttal, and applying the same approach to him.
The more he complains about his own tactics being used against him, the more I'll do it.
I'm not the one that tried to bring an argument from another thread into this one.
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