How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 13)
Discussion
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Huh?
If there is a big drop in price for consumers that must be via the ROW oranges plus 5% tariff being cheaper than now, ie Spanish oranges with zero tariff.
Spanish orange grower is still screwed so we can have cheaper oranges.
Quite right too, consumers interests before producers.If there is a big drop in price for consumers that must be via the ROW oranges plus 5% tariff being cheaper than now, ie Spanish oranges with zero tariff.
Spanish orange grower is still screwed so we can have cheaper oranges.
andymadmak said:
soupdragon1 said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/britain-is-unco...
Great piece from the Irish Times in retort to the drivel spouted in an article by the Spectator and Darren Grimes talking cack on twitter (nothing new there though).
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces. Great piece from the Irish Times in retort to the drivel spouted in an article by the Spectator and Darren Grimes talking cack on twitter (nothing new there though).
The UK were a net contributor. They have now left. That creates a financial gap. That financial gap gets bridged by re-apportioning budgets for the remaining countries. It really is as simple as that.......but it was actually reported to the GB readership by some transmissions that the EU used Ireland as a puppet then chucked them under the bus once they were done with them. Its almost comedy journalism - especially from something like the spectator, which has produced many many great articles on Brexit over the past while.
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Huh?
If there is a big drop in price for consumers that must be via the ROW oranges plus 5% tariff being cheaper than now, ie Spanish oranges with zero tariff.
Spanish orange grower is still screwed so we can have cheaper oranges.
Perhaps UK Fruit merchants should be allowed to harvest EU citrus orchards, of course they'llIf there is a big drop in price for consumers that must be via the ROW oranges plus 5% tariff being cheaper than now, ie Spanish oranges with zero tariff.
Spanish orange grower is still screwed so we can have cheaper oranges.
dump any fruit over picked from the allotted allowances.
andymadmak said:
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces.
This quote from the comments section sums it up for me ....“Since moving to the UK I have noticed irish journalism has a real thing for knowing very little about the UK and relying on people who have never lived there to report on it. Only when you move over here yourself do you realise how utterly inaccurate and ignorant much of the irish reporting on the UK is. I used to actually believe this stuff”
Earthdweller said:
andymadmak said:
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces.
This quote from the comments section sums it up for me ....“Since moving to the UK I have noticed irish journalism has a real thing for knowing very little about the UK and relying on people who have never lived there to report on it. Only when you move over here yourself do you realise how utterly inaccurate and ignorant much of the irish reporting on the UK is. I used to actually believe this stuff”
Earthdweller said:
andymadmak said:
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces.
This quote from the comments section sums it up for me ....“Since moving to the UK I have noticed irish journalism has a real thing for knowing very little about the UK and relying on people who have never lived there to report on it. Only when you move over here yourself do you realise how utterly inaccurate and ignorant much of the irish reporting on the UK is. I used to actually believe this stuff”
Sway said:
Where in any of those elements does Canada relinquish control fully for the EU to solely decide what the rules and regs regarding those things entail?
I think you need to ask “what makes me think the EU proposal is actually far more menacing than the canada deal - what is the real evidence you have”?Sounds like superficial Daily Mail baseless wailing at the moment.
soupdragon1 said:
andymadmak said:
soupdragon1 said:
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/britain-is-unco...
Great piece from the Irish Times in retort to the drivel spouted in an article by the Spectator and Darren Grimes talking cack on twitter (nothing new there though).
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces. Great piece from the Irish Times in retort to the drivel spouted in an article by the Spectator and Darren Grimes talking cack on twitter (nothing new there though).
The UK were a net contributor. They have now left. That creates a financial gap. That financial gap gets bridged by re-apportioning budgets for the remaining countries. It really is as simple as that.......but it was actually reported to the GB readership by some transmissions that the EU used Ireland as a puppet then chucked them under the bus once they were done with them. Its almost comedy journalism - especially from something like the spectator, which has produced many many great articles on Brexit over the past while.
If the EU were intending to contract by the proportion of the loss of the U.K. is almost accept your argument ... but it isn’t
It wants to INCREASE its budget instead
Now we are in a position of the “Rich” countries saying NO, we are not paying anymore and a large group of the “Poor” countries saying NO we are not paying anymore, but don’t you dare think about giving us less
Varadkar, who is in no position to make promises to the EU has said Yeah, but No but which is an odd position
To say Ireland will happily pay more ( not sure he has the support for that ) but won’t accept any cuts in what it gets back ( not sure that’s going to happen ) is somewhat unfathomable and falls into neither of the above camps
Irish farming is teetering on the edge, any cuts in subsidy ( expected ) will be met with more protests and hostility. The EU is coming after the big Corporations
Varadkar and his pro EU Govt has just been given a big kick “up the hole” by the electorate
Let’s not forget Ireland is one of the most sparsely populated countries in Europe and one of the most rural with a massive reliance on agriculture, mostly family farms and a huge reliance on the U.K. not just as a customer for its goods but as an integral part of its supply chain, a lot of its warehousing and storage and food production is totally reliant on the U.K.
For that article to be so jingoistic and actually as racist/bigoted as some of the U.K. press is actually rather surprising and disappointing
soupdragon1 said:
Earthdweller said:
andymadmak said:
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces.
This quote from the comments section sums it up for me ....“Since moving to the UK I have noticed irish journalism has a real thing for knowing very little about the UK and relying on people who have never lived there to report on it. Only when you move over here yourself do you realise how utterly inaccurate and ignorant much of the irish reporting on the UK is. I used to actually believe this stuff”
soupdragon1 said:
Earthdweller said:
andymadmak said:
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces.
This quote from the comments section sums it up for me ....“Since moving to the UK I have noticed irish journalism has a real thing for knowing very little about the UK and relying on people who have never lived there to report on it. Only when you move over here yourself do you realise how utterly inaccurate and ignorant much of the irish reporting on the UK is. I used to actually believe this stuff”
I think it’s a load of s
te 
DeepEnd said:
Sway said:
Where in any of those elements does Canada relinquish control fully for the EU to solely decide what the rules and regs regarding those things entail?
I think you need to ask “what makes me think the EU proposal is actually far more menacing than the canada deal - what is the real evidence you have”?Sounds like superficial Daily Mail baseless wailing at the moment.
The evidence in in their demands. Notice you're the only person that can't see how inappropriate they are. Even some of the regular Remain supporting posters are agreeing they are overstepping the mark massively.
Earthdweller said:
soupdragon1 said:
Earthdweller said:
andymadmak said:
Great piece? Not really. But it does try (and fail) to create a smokescreen around the fact that Ireland has been asked to stump up more to the EU, whilst having it's vital subsidies to farmers cut. That is the reality that Ireland faces.
This quote from the comments section sums it up for me ....“Since moving to the UK I have noticed irish journalism has a real thing for knowing very little about the UK and relying on people who have never lived there to report on it. Only when you move over here yourself do you realise how utterly inaccurate and ignorant much of the irish reporting on the UK is. I used to actually believe this stuff”
I think it’s a load of s
te te too I just posted it to see if would engage a bit of Friday banter
All it is really, is Ireland was being trolled a bit by the Spectator, Grimes and a few others, then the Irishnews produced an article trolling back at the UK. I agree that its a load of old b
ks - I just posted it as a poke to see if I could disturb a few hornets - my bad!Sway said:
Why on earth would you think the level of control the EU is demanding is appropriate, as opposed to the level of mutual oversight under typical WTO/OECD frameworks for a level playing field as per CETA?
The evidence in in their demands. Notice you're the only person that can't see how inappropriate they are. Even some of the regular Remain supporting posters are agreeing they are overstepping the mark massively.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuXNWI_fYSYThe evidence in in their demands. Notice you're the only person that can't see how inappropriate they are. Even some of the regular Remain supporting posters are agreeing they are overstepping the mark massively.
soupdragon1 said:
Ok ok - I'll come clean. I also think its a load of ste too
I just posted it to see if would engage a bit of Friday banter
All it is really, is Ireland was being trolled a bit by the Spectator, Grimes and a few others, then the Irishnews produced an article trolling back at the UK. I agree that its a load of old bks - I just posted it as a poke to see if I could disturb a few hornets - my bad!
te too I just posted it to see if would engage a bit of Friday banter
All it is really, is Ireland was being trolled a bit by the Spectator, Grimes and a few others, then the Irishnews produced an article trolling back at the UK. I agree that its a load of old b
ks - I just posted it as a poke to see if I could disturb a few hornets - my bad!
Fair enough.. trouble is there are plenty that fall for that kind of s
te Be it the wailing of the Remain media or the leave lot
The media is a cesspit
Sway said:
Why on earth would you think the level of control the EU is demanding is appropriate, as opposed to the level of mutual oversight under typical WTO/OECD frameworks for a level playing field as per CETA?
The evidence in in their demands. Notice you're the only person that can't see how inappropriate they are. Even some of the regular Remain supporting posters are agreeing they are overstepping the mark massively.
DeepEnd has gone into full on fingers in the ears "lalala, not listening" mode. Everyone around him is apparently angry The evidence in in their demands. Notice you're the only person that can't see how inappropriate they are. Even some of the regular Remain supporting posters are agreeing they are overstepping the mark massively.
DeepEnd said:
I think you need to ask “what makes me think the EU proposal is actually far more menacing than the canada deal - what is the real evidence you have”?
The EU proposal seems to be that, despite the fact we're no longer a member, we should just agree to continued alignment with their rules and regulations no matter what changes they see fit to make. In the absence of a crystal ball obviously nobody can give specific examples of future regulations we don't like; however, in principle agreement to what they're demanding would be akin to signing a blank cheque and surely only a fool would do that?Sway said:
Stay in Bed Instead said:
Sway said:
They'll care if RoW oranges are several percent cheaper, that's a lower landed price than the Spanish can produce for - and the EU are being difficult in agreeing a FTA...
I still don't get your argument.If the UK aren't going to charge import tariffs it doesn't matter whether or not there is a UK:EU FTA or not, the Spanish orange grower will be competing against the ROW farmer without tariff interference.
Or are you claiming the UK:EU FTA will require the UK to impose tariffs on ROW oranges?
I'm sure if we had the tariff at say 5% there'd be a strong push from Spanish citrus farmers for theirs to be operating at 0% - and either way would be a big drop in price for consumers.
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