NHS Nurse asks Strangers for Donations
Discussion
Bussolini said:
deggles said:
It’s almost as if being a cardiac nurse, a single parent, and living in London are not fundamentally compatible life choices.
Pick two.
We do need cardiac nurses in London however - should they not be paid enough to live? Pick two.
Many, will have circumstances where they're entirely comfortable on the same wage.
There is no black and white.
Bussolini said:
We do need cardiac nurses in London however - should they not be paid enough to live?
A problem that this particular cardiac nurse has got is that if she was paid more, she'd get less in benefits. She'd have to be paid hugely more to be better off. Then she'd be moaning about paying 40% tax.Sway said:
They get an extra 20%.
Many, will have circumstances where they're entirely comfortable on the same wage.
There is no black and white.
My rent went up 70% when I moved to London from Edinburgh, and Edinburgh is already reasonably expensive. The rent differential between say London and North Wales will be a lot more than 20%. Many, will have circumstances where they're entirely comfortable on the same wage.
There is no black and white.
Sheepshanks said:
The problem that this particular cardiac nurse has got is that if she was paid more, she'd get less in benefits. She'd have to be paid hugely more to be better off. Then she'd be moaning about paying 40% tax.
Perhaps the balance between benefits and public sector salaries is not working. Reduce benefits, increase salaries?
Sway said:
They get an extra 20%.
Ah - I guess that must be one of the things in the added payments part of her payslip. Her basic pay - £30112 - is the standard top of band 5 salary for this year.I guess she must work days only - most nurses would be paid more as they're doing shifts and weekends, although I don't think the unsocial hours payments are as good as they used to be.
The Mad Monk said:
Don't have children that you can't afford to bring up.
Don't take jobs/live so far away.
Maybe she could afford her kid at the time but circumstances change as that’s life. Divorce, bereavement, etc all happen everyday. Should she put her kid up for adoption just because she’s no longer in the same financial position?Don't take jobs/live so far away.
Using your logic then every hospital (or school, fire station, cop shop, etc) within London would also be staff-less as the cost of living in London is prohibitive to those on an average wage.
Not commenting on this case as there is undoubtedly more to it but hospitals in central London like UCH need nurses who will not be on mega money despite the ‘weighting’. Looking at her rent, it looks like she commutes in outside London which would explain the high travel costs.
There was a thread on here a while ago where there was a general consensus was that to have a decent quality of life in London, you’d need a minimum of £100k. Now obviously this is mostly PH exaggerated b
ks but it goes to show that £30k+ in London for a critical worker is always going to be a struggle.valiant said:
Maybe she could afford her kid at the time but circumstances change as that’s life. Divorce, bereavement, etc all happen everyday. Should she put her kid up for adoption just because she’s no longer in the same financial position?
Using your logic then every hospital (or school, fire station, cop shop, etc) within London would also be staff-less as the cost of living in London is prohibitive to those on an average wage.
Not commenting on this case as there is undoubtedly more to it but hospitals in central London like UCH need nurses who will not be on mega money despite the ‘weighting’. Looking at her rent, it looks like she commutes in outside London which would explain the high travel costs.
There was a thread on here a while ago where there was a general consensus was that to have a decent quality of life in London, you’d need a minimum of £100k. Now obviously this is mostly PH exaggerated bks but it goes to show that £30k+ in London for a critical worker is always going to be a struggle.
Indeed, for all the don't live in London folk - who do you expect to do all the jobs you rely on but aren't well paid? Immigrants living six to a room in East London?Using your logic then every hospital (or school, fire station, cop shop, etc) within London would also be staff-less as the cost of living in London is prohibitive to those on an average wage.
Not commenting on this case as there is undoubtedly more to it but hospitals in central London like UCH need nurses who will not be on mega money despite the ‘weighting’. Looking at her rent, it looks like she commutes in outside London which would explain the high travel costs.
There was a thread on here a while ago where there was a general consensus was that to have a decent quality of life in London, you’d need a minimum of £100k. Now obviously this is mostly PH exaggerated b
ks but it goes to show that £30k+ in London for a critical worker is always going to be a struggle.
Bussolini said:
Indeed, for all the don't live in London folk - who do you expect to do all the jobs you rely on but aren't well paid? Immigrants living six to a room in East London?
There are various options. Some people doing lower paid jobs will have a partner with a well paid job.
Some, will have very low overheads, no kids/car/sharing a flat.
Benefits help - housing benefit is as I understand it localised in terms of payments, reflecting the local costs.
Some will have grown up, perhaps in council housing, far poorer and this is an uplift in living standards.
Some will own homes now 'worth' a vast amount, but bought relatively affordably a few decades ago (the house I grew up in, in a decent-ish part of West London, was bought for 18k in 81. Three bed Victorian terrace, now worth nearly 750k...).
As I said earlier, it's not black and white.
To a degree, there are similarities in some of the feedback posted here, with me. I earn triple the median salary, with two kids. However, for various reasons I have less disposable than virtually all of my close mates, none of whom earn more than median. That's my choice however, and I don't moan about it, nor ask for help.
pavarotti1980 said:
Sheepshanks said:
I wouldn't be surprised if she gets sacked - the NHS doesn't like its staff talking to the press without permission.
Sacked for what? Saleen836 said:
But doesn't pension deduction come from the gross earnings?
If so her salary should show as £35k ish not £30k ish
You get tax relief on NHS pension as it is deducted before tax is deductedIf so her salary should show as £35k ish not £30k ish
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 23 October 09:18
Sway said:
There are various options.
Some people doing lower paid jobs will have a partner with a well paid job.
Some, will have very low overheads, no kids/car/sharing a flat.
Benefits help - housing benefit is as I understand it localised in terms of payments, reflecting the local costs.
Some will have grown up, perhaps in council housing, far poorer and this is an uplift in living standards.
Some will own homes now 'worth' a vast amount, but bought relatively affordably a few decades ago (the house I grew up in, in a decent-ish part of West London, was bought for 18k in 81. Three bed Victorian terrace, now worth nearly 750k...).
As I said earlier, it's not black and white.
To a degree, there are similarities in some of the feedback posted here, with me. I earn triple the median salary, with two kids. However, for various reasons I have less disposable than virtually all of my close mates, none of whom earn more than median. That's my choice however, and I don't moan about it, nor ask for help.
Sure - but it is not sustainable to say you can only live in London if you are either well paid or your partner is well paid, or your inherited a house you couldn't afford to buy, or you are willing to live in a flat share and never have kids or a family. Some people doing lower paid jobs will have a partner with a well paid job.
Some, will have very low overheads, no kids/car/sharing a flat.
Benefits help - housing benefit is as I understand it localised in terms of payments, reflecting the local costs.
Some will have grown up, perhaps in council housing, far poorer and this is an uplift in living standards.
Some will own homes now 'worth' a vast amount, but bought relatively affordably a few decades ago (the house I grew up in, in a decent-ish part of West London, was bought for 18k in 81. Three bed Victorian terrace, now worth nearly 750k...).
As I said earlier, it's not black and white.
To a degree, there are similarities in some of the feedback posted here, with me. I earn triple the median salary, with two kids. However, for various reasons I have less disposable than virtually all of my close mates, none of whom earn more than median. That's my choice however, and I don't moan about it, nor ask for help.
For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think she should be asking for handouts - but it is a sad predicament for a nurse to have to be in, and knowing nurses who don't live in London and are far from well off, I can only imagine how tough it would be to be a nurse, in London, being a single mother - both in terms of income, but also fitting shift work around childcare etc. She probably should move somewhere else - but if everyone did that our hospitals will not be able to function.
Loads of people in London get by on a lot less than this lady.
People have different circumstances and situations.
There’s little point in saying she should do this or do that as we aren’t in her situation, only she is.
Furthermore, try telling someone what they should do and report back. It nearly always results in them being even more entrenched in their viewpoint.
If she sat down with a finance planner and had it all mapped out as to exactly what she should do ........ chances are she wouldn’t do it.
That’s how people are. They don’t listen to advice, they don’t do what others tell them.
People have different circumstances and situations.
There’s little point in saying she should do this or do that as we aren’t in her situation, only she is.
Furthermore, try telling someone what they should do and report back. It nearly always results in them being even more entrenched in their viewpoint.
If she sat down with a finance planner and had it all mapped out as to exactly what she should do ........ chances are she wouldn’t do it.
That’s how people are. They don’t listen to advice, they don’t do what others tell them.
Bussolini said:
Sure - but it is not sustainable to say you can only live in London if you are either well paid or your partner is well paid, or your inherited a house you couldn't afford to buy, or you are willing to live in a flat share and never have kids or a family.
For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think she should be asking for handouts - but it is a sad predicament for a nurse to have to be in, and knowing nurses who don't live in London and are far from well off, I can only imagine how tough it would be to be a nurse, in London, being a single mother - both in terms of income, but also fitting shift work around childcare etc. She probably should move somewhere else - but if everyone did that our hospitals will not be able to function.
It wasn't a holistic list... For the avoidance of doubt, I don't think she should be asking for handouts - but it is a sad predicament for a nurse to have to be in, and knowing nurses who don't live in London and are far from well off, I can only imagine how tough it would be to be a nurse, in London, being a single mother - both in terms of income, but also fitting shift work around childcare etc. She probably should move somewhere else - but if everyone did that our hospitals will not be able to function.
The point is, that whilst it's exceptionally difficult to reconcile - there are millions who do live in London, with tiny incomes.
One thing London does do, is make certain things possible due to it's scale - it might well be that this nurse could be far better off moving into London, and opening up late/night working due to massively increased availability of child care, etc.
Bussolini said:
Indeed, for all the don't live in London folk - who do you expect to do all the jobs you rely on but aren't well paid? Immigrants living six to a room in East London?
While we have immigrants living six to a room, nurses like this are not going to get their true value. Anyone who says a constant flow of cheap imported labour is good for the country is either disingenuous or a f
king idiot. gizlaroc said:
While we have immigrants living six to a room, nurses like this are not going to get their true value.
Anyone who says a constant flow of cheap imported labour is good for the country is either disingenuous or a fking idiot.
Except nursing is a skilled career not unskilled labour and as a country we are short of nurses not overflowing with them. The salary is insufficient to attract sufficient numbers into nursing as a career. Anyone who says a constant flow of cheap imported labour is good for the country is either disingenuous or a f
king idiot. Bussolini said:
gizlaroc said:
While we have immigrants living six to a room, nurses like this are not going to get their true value.
Anyone who says a constant flow of cheap imported labour is good for the country is either disingenuous or a fking idiot.
Except nursing is a skilled career not unskilled labour and as a country we are short of nurses not overflowing with them. The salary is insufficient to attract sufficient numbers into nursing as a career. Anyone who says a constant flow of cheap imported labour is good for the country is either disingenuous or a f
king idiot. Six people, willing to split the costs of a 2 bed between them, can afford a lot more than a single parent - and so rents go up.
Good mates at my first job were lads from South Africa, over for a couple of years. Ten to a 3 bed house - every room other than kitchen was a 'bedroom' - it was effectively student digs.
Most, worked in the bike shop in Hammersmith I worked in as a Saturday boy. Not exactly great money - yet they not only had a great time, they were able to send enough home to set themselves up properly when they returned.
Camelot1971 said:
You can be dismissed for gross misconduct if your conduct brings the organisation into disrepute. Certainly the case for Civil Servants and lots of other public sector workers.
So which bit would be bringing the NHS into disrepute?Saying you are skint is hardly misconduct never mind gross misconduct. then add in to the mix it being extremely difficult to sack someone in the NHS and its all a little bit fanciful
Edited by pavarotti1980 on Wednesday 23 October 12:28
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