NHS Nurse asks Strangers for Donations

[gizlaroc]

Bussolini said:

gizlaroc said:

While we have immigrants living six to a room, nurses like this are not going to get their true value.

Anyone who says a constant flow of cheap imported labour is good for the country is either disingenuous or a fking idiot.

Except nursing is a skilled career not unskilled labour and as a country we are short of nurses not overflowing with them. The salary is insufficient to attract sufficient numbers into nursing as a career.

Why bother to put money into training and nurses wages when we can import them already trained from around the globe?

That is my point.


So which one are you? Just kidding of course.

[PHuzzy]

heisthegaffer said:

S100HP said:

£579 sounds suspiciously like a car finance amount to me, ie £279 for car, £300 for fuel/insurance/tax.

What a ridiculous thing to say. It could be anything.

You're just plucking figures out of the sky to suit the rhetoric and join others moaning about this poor nurse whom we know nothing about.

We should be grateful people choose to work for the NHS, not criticising them.

Also people saying move closer etc, what if she is a specialist nurse at a hospital in an area which costs more to rent than she pays currently.

She doesn't even pay that much rent either.

People need to out themselves in other folk's shoes... Imagine doing what is probably a very tough job whilst raising a child and being skint and having to ask for help. Particularly this time of year with Christmas round the corner.

I feel sorry for her myself.

I've put myself in her shoes.

I know I can't afford to do what I want, in the place I live and raise a child at the same time on that salary.

I don't feel sorry for her. They're all choices she made, none were forced upon her.

Edited to add... What difference does Christmas being around the corner make? It's no different to any other time of year, you're not forced to spend money just because it's December!

Edited by PHuzzy on Wednesday 23 October 12:48

[heisthegaffer]

PHuzzy said:

I've put myself in her shoes.

I know I can't afford to do what I want, in the place I live and raise a child at the same time on that salary.

I don't feel sorry for her. They're all choices she made, none were forced upon her.

Edited to add... What difference does Christmas being around the corner make? It's no different to any other time of year, you're not forced to spend money just because it's December!

Edited by PHuzzy on Wednesday 23 October 12:48

Do you know the girl personally and every single circumstance of her life? You sound like you do with your statement.

What if the child was unplanned or the father has done a runner or passed away? Perhaps some of those decisions weren't completely in her control?

You can't tell me Christmas doesn't make a difference given she has a child. Is she expected to say to the child sorry no presents this year. Of course not. I'm not saying buy hundreds of pounds worth but if the poor cow can't afford to live monthly, what is she supposed to do? Do you have children?

Good grief, at least she is out there working unlike others who choose not to.

[Mothersruin]

heisthegaffer said:

PHuzzy said:

I've put myself in her shoes.

I know I can't afford to do what I want, in the place I live and raise a child at the same time on that salary.

I don't feel sorry for her. They're all choices she made, none were forced upon her.

Edited to add... What difference does Christmas being around the corner make? It's no different to any other time of year, you're not forced to spend money just because it's December!

Edited by PHuzzy on Wednesday 23 October 12:48

Do you know the girl personally and every single circumstance of her life? You sound like you do with your statement.

What if the child was unplanned or the father has done a runner or passed away? Perhaps some of those decisions weren't completely in her control?

You can't tell me Christmas doesn't make a difference given she has a child. Is she expected to say to the child sorry no presents this year. Of course not. I'm not saying buy hundreds of pounds worth but if the poor cow can't afford to live monthly, what is she supposed to do? Do you have children?

Good grief, at least she is out there working unlike others who choose not to.

Ok, on known info, that's where we're at. When she gives us more, we can modify our opinions.

[Oakey]

If she was that hard up she'd bin off the near £300 a month going into her pension? That's £3.5k per annum right there.

[heisthegaffer]

Oakey said:

If she was that hard up she'd bin off the near £300 a month going into her pension? That's £3.5k per annum right there.

What does she do in 10 or 20 years with little pension investment? Carry on working until she drops dead perhaps?

[CambsBill]

There are so many of this type of article that I was beginning to think that the CSA had been disbanded altogether. Well, it has, but only to be replaced by the Child Maintenance Service so the question remains - why the juddering fk isn't the father paying towards the child?

[heisthegaffer]

Mothersruin said:

Ok, on known info, that's where we're at. When she gives us more, we can modify our opinions.

But why do so many people have such presumptive and harsh opinions about her already and insist on being such dumbasses about her?

To clarify something, I believe in the welfare state and helping those genuinely in need but not spongers who take take take.

I've mentioned before that there are people I know who fall in to the latter category and I have little time for them. In fact they disgust me and I wish there were better ways of dealing with them.

[Bussolini]

Oakey said:

If she was that hard up she'd bin off the near £300 a month going into her pension? That's £3.5k per annum right there.

To then be in poverty and reliant on the State in retirement? You'd blame her for not saving when she was working if she did that.

The lack of empathy of some on here is astounding.

[heisthegaffer]

CambsBill said:

There are so many of this type of article that I was beginning to think that the CSA had been disbanded altogether. Well, it has, but only to be replaced by the Child Maintenance Service so the question remains - why the juddering fk isn't the father paying towards the child?

A great question.

[heisthegaffer]

Bussolini said:

Oakey said:

If she was that hard up she'd bin off the near £300 a month going into her pension? That's £3.5k per annum right there.

To then be in poverty and reliant on the State in retirement? You'd blame her for not saving when she was working if she did that.

The lack of empathy of some on here is astounding.

It saddens me there are so many opinionated, harsh fools on PH.

[Jinx]

Bussolini said:

To then be in poverty and reliant on the State in retirement? You'd blame her for not saving when she was working if she did that.

The lack of empathy of some on here is astounding.

Erm she could reduce the contribution and up it again when the child care costs reduce - then not have to ask strangers for money?

[Bussolini]

Jinx said:

Erm she could reduce the contribution and up it again when the child care costs reduce - then not have to ask strangers for money?

Surely the more profound point is that a nurse should be sufficiently well paid that she can contribute to a pension and live somewhere above the breadline?

[Sway]

Bussolini said:

Surely the more profound point is that a nurse should be sufficiently well paid that she can contribute to a pension and live somewhere above the breadline?

She's earning 25% more than the median income...

Therefore a significant majority of adult workers in the UK earn less.

[Mothersruin]

Bussolini said:

Jinx said:

Erm she could reduce the contribution and up it again when the child care costs reduce - then not have to ask strangers for money?

Surely the more profound point is that a nurse should be sufficiently well paid that she can contribute to a pension and live somewhere above the breadline?

She is, unless each and every colleague is in exactly the same financial straits, then there's an an overriding issue.

[Bussolini]

Sway said:

She's earning 25% more than the median income...

Therefore a significant majority of adult workers in the UK earn less.

She is also (i) a single mother, working shifts, living in London and (ii) in a skilled profession of which the UK has a severe shortage.

I wonder how many here live on her income or less, never mind as a single mother working shifts in London.

[Oakey]

Why is she only working a 37.5hr week, is that standard hours for a nurse?

[Sway]

Bussolini said:

Sway said:

She's earning 25% more than the median income...

Therefore a significant majority of adult workers in the UK earn less.

She is also (i) a single mother, working shifts, living in London and (ii) in a skilled profession of which the UK has a severe shortage.

I wonder how many here live on her income or less, never mind as a single mother working shifts in London.

Not that long ago, I was living on the South Coast, with a chunky commute without public transport options, earning significantly less than median wage - with a non-working (disabled, but ineligible for support) partner and two young kids.

I know several posters on PH personally, who are living in what would be classed by some as poverty - yet aren't asking for handouts.

She has specific circumstances you call out - which actually demonstrate she has immense choice to change the situation. Many more don't...

[HTP99]

What happens when the donations run out?

[Sten.]

Oakey said:

Why is she only working a 37.5hr week, is that standard hours for a nurse?

Yes, most work plenty of overtime/bank work on top of that though.