39 bodies found in Lorry : illegals ?

39 bodies found in Lorry : illegals ?

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cossy400

3,165 posts

185 months

Friday 10th April 2020
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greygoose said:
cossy400 said:
There was a similar case years ago and i think he got 13 years for that, but im struggling to find it on google.
Perry Wacker was his name.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/apr/05/immigration.immigrationandpublicservices


14 years and there was 58 of them.


JuniorD

8,629 posts

224 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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The full story is out via the court papers.

The c-unit Mo was paid by Roman Hughes - £1500 per person smuggled. That’s about £60k per operation. He’d been at it since 2018.

I’m surprised there’s not a major man hunt on for the Hughes guys. Maybe someone other than the law will get to them first...


https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/...



Edited by JuniorD on Wednesday 15th April 21:26

rover 623gsi

5,230 posts

162 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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JuniorD said:
The full story is out via the court papers.

The c-unit Mo was paid by Roman Hughes - £1500 per person smuggled. That’s about £60k per operation. He’d been at it since 2018.

I’m surprised there’s not a major man hunt on for the Hughes guys. Maybe someone other than the law will get to them first...


https://m.belfasaph.co.uk/sunday-life/news/essex-l...
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https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/new...

very grim, depressing story.

Edited by rover 623gsi on Wednesday 15th April 20:24

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 15th April 2020
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Another thorn in the 'Justice4Mo' crowd.

cossy400

3,165 posts

185 months

Monday 20th April 2020
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Shakermaker

11,317 posts

101 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2020
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TTmonkey said:
yeah I retract my earlier concern fir the guy he’s ‘obviously’ involved in all this. The police know better than anyone and never arrest the wrong person. Probably a gangster human trafficker of something.
TTMonkey called it!

Oakey

27,595 posts

217 months

Wednesday 22nd April 2020
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Feels like there was sarcasm to his post?

Speed 3

4,604 posts

120 months

Wednesday 22nd July 2020
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Extradition agreed for the other driver:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-535...

Ructions

4,705 posts

122 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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An Irish haulier has pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of migrants who were found dead in the trailer of a lorry in Essex.

Ronan Hughes (40) admitted the charge on Friday at the Old Bailey in London.

He was one of several men accused of being part of a people-smuggling ring linked to the deaths of the 39 migrants last October.

The bodies of the Vietnamese nationals were discovered on an industrial estate in Grays, Essex, shortly after the lorry arrived in Purfleet on a ferry in the early hours of October 23rd last year.

among the men, women and children were 10 teenagers, two of them 15-year-old boys.

An inquest heard their medical cause of death was asphyxia and hyperthermia — a lack of oxygen and overheating — in an enclosed space.

In June, the High Court in Dublin ordered the extradition of Mr Hughes, from Leitrim, Silverstream, Tyholland, Co Monaghan, to the UK.

Mr Hughes was arrested on the evening of April 20th at his home in Co Monaghan following the endorsement of a European Arrest Warrant (EAW) issued by the police in Essex and had fought his proposed extradition to the UK through the Irish High Court.

JuniorD

8,629 posts

224 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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bd.

One life sentence per dead immigrant, to be served consecutively would be about right, plus disposal of all his assets to pay to the victims’ families.

poo at Paul's

14,162 posts

176 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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JuniorD said:
bd.

One life sentence per dead immigrant, to be served consecutively would be about right, plus disposal of all his assets to pay to the victims’ families.
I am afraid I don't agree on the last point. Sadly, there will have been HUNDREDS of people complicit in this case that resulted in the deaths of these people and in many cases, the victims families will be included within that number.

Their deaths are a disgrace and it is correct to prosecute everyone involved, even if they are the victims family members; we should not forget that this was an attempt to illegally enter the UK by a large number of people that travelled a third of the way round the world to do so. That doesn't happen by accident. This is organised, it is lucrative, and there is a demand for it; everyone involved should be held to account.

Ructions

4,705 posts

122 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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It’s quite rare to get a life sentence for manslaughter, add in the early guilty plea and he’ll possibly be looking at ten to fifteen years. If he gets a permanent transfer back to the north of Ireland, where he is originally from, he will qualify for fifty percent remission.

roadsmash

2,622 posts

71 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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Ructions said:
It’s quite rare to get a life sentence for manslaughter, add in the early guilty plea and he’ll possibly be looking at ten to fifteen years. If he gets a permanent transfer back to the north of Ireland, where he is originally from, he will qualify for fifty percent remission.
Won’t each person be a separate indictment? So he will be punished for each death? IANAL.

Ructions

4,705 posts

122 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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anonymous said:
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I'd be pretty sure these guys have no affiliation to anyone with a political wing, they're a bunch of cross community criminals.

Robinson, the driver, squealed the heap. Hence the nickname Mo The Grass.

Ructions

4,705 posts

122 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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roadsmash said:
Ructions said:
It’s quite rare to get a life sentence for manslaughter, add in the early guilty plea and he’ll possibly be looking at ten to fifteen years. If he gets a permanent transfer back to the north of Ireland, where he is originally from, he will qualify for fifty percent remission.
Won’t each person be a separate indictment? So he will be punished for each death? IANAL.
IANAL either, but I would expect concurrent sentences on each charge.

roadsmash

2,622 posts

71 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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Ructions said:
roadsmash said:
Ructions said:
It’s quite rare to get a life sentence for manslaughter, add in the early guilty plea and he’ll possibly be looking at ten to fifteen years. If he gets a permanent transfer back to the north of Ireland, where he is originally from, he will qualify for fifty percent remission.
Won’t each person be a separate indictment? So he will be punished for each death? IANAL.
IANAL either, but I would expect concurrent sentences on each charge.
That’s what I was getting at... using your example, wouldn’t it be 10-15 years for each victim?

Point being, it’s negligible really... he dies in prison.

JuniorD

8,629 posts

224 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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anonymous said:
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So which paramilitary group are you suggesting he is hand in glove with?

Ructions

4,705 posts

122 months

Friday 28th August 2020
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anonymous said:
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The Continuity Ulster Volunteer Republican Liberation Army Red Hand Freedom Fighters of Derry

Drawweight

2,895 posts

117 months

Saturday 29th August 2020
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Ructions said:
The Continuity Ulster Volunteer Republican Liberation Army Red Hand Freedom Fighters of Derry
Splitters. curse

BrabusMog

20,185 posts

187 months

Saturday 29th August 2020
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roadsmash said:
Ructions said:
roadsmash said:
Ructions said:
It’s quite rare to get a life sentence for manslaughter, add in the early guilty plea and he’ll possibly be looking at ten to fifteen years. If he gets a permanent transfer back to the north of Ireland, where he is originally from, he will qualify for fifty percent remission.
Won’t each person be a separate indictment? So he will be punished for each death? IANAL.
IANAL either, but I would expect concurrent sentences on each charge.
That’s what I was getting at... using your example, wouldn’t it be 10-15 years for each victim?

Point being, it’s negligible really... he dies in prison.
Concurrent means they run at the same time, you'd need consecutive for him to die in prison.