39 bodies found in Lorry : illegals ?
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Ructions said:
The lives of 39 Vietnamese people who died in a container lorry have been honoured at a shrine set up in London to mark the first anniversary of the tragedy....
The 39 Vietnamese people who died were: Dinh Dinh Binh, 15, Nguyen Minh Quang, 20, Nguyen Huy Phong, 35, Le Van Ha, 30, Nguyen Van Hiep, 24, Bui Phan Thang, 37, Nguyen Van Hung, 33, Nguyen Huy Hung, 15, Nguyen Tien Dung, 33, Pham Thi Tra My, 26, Tran Khanh Tho, 18, Nguyen Van Nhan, 33, Vo Ngoc Nam, 28, Vo Van Linh, 25, Nguyen Ba Vu Hung, 34, Vo Nhan Du, 19, Tran Hai Loc, 35, Tran Manh Hung, 37, Nguyen Thi Van, 35, Bui Thi Nhung, 19, Hoang Van Tiep, 18, Tran Thi Ngoc, 19, Phan Thi Thanh, 41, Tran Thi Tho, 21, Duong Minh Tuan, 27, Pham Thi Ngoc Oanh, 28, Tran Thi Mai Nhung, 18, Le Trong Thanh, 44, Nguyen Ngoc Ha, 32, Hoang Van Hoi, 24, Tran Ngoc Hieu, 17, Cao Tien Dung, 37, Dinh Dinh Thai Quyen, 18, Dong Huu Tuyen, 22, Nguyen Dinh Luong, 20, Cao Huy Thanh, 37, Nguyen Trong Thai, 26, Nguyen Tho Tuan, 25, and Nguyen Dinh Tu, 26.
First and foremost RIP to them all and my respect to those who have organised this tribute.The 39 Vietnamese people who died were: Dinh Dinh Binh, 15, Nguyen Minh Quang, 20, Nguyen Huy Phong, 35, Le Van Ha, 30, Nguyen Van Hiep, 24, Bui Phan Thang, 37, Nguyen Van Hung, 33, Nguyen Huy Hung, 15, Nguyen Tien Dung, 33, Pham Thi Tra My, 26, Tran Khanh Tho, 18, Nguyen Van Nhan, 33, Vo Ngoc Nam, 28, Vo Van Linh, 25, Nguyen Ba Vu Hung, 34, Vo Nhan Du, 19, Tran Hai Loc, 35, Tran Manh Hung, 37, Nguyen Thi Van, 35, Bui Thi Nhung, 19, Hoang Van Tiep, 18, Tran Thi Ngoc, 19, Phan Thi Thanh, 41, Tran Thi Tho, 21, Duong Minh Tuan, 27, Pham Thi Ngoc Oanh, 28, Tran Thi Mai Nhung, 18, Le Trong Thanh, 44, Nguyen Ngoc Ha, 32, Hoang Van Hoi, 24, Tran Ngoc Hieu, 17, Cao Tien Dung, 37, Dinh Dinh Thai Quyen, 18, Dong Huu Tuyen, 22, Nguyen Dinh Luong, 20, Cao Huy Thanh, 37, Nguyen Trong Thai, 26, Nguyen Tho Tuan, 25, and Nguyen Dinh Tu, 26.
However,
Ructions said:
Jabez Lam, 64, the HCCS centre manager, said many of its members came from both Chinese and Vietnamese communities.
He described the 39 Vietnamese people as "victims of globalisation" and drew parallels to previous migrant tragedies.
Mr Lam explained he acted as a middle man between the Chinese community and police after 58 bodies were found in a sealed, airless container at Dover port on June 18 2000.
He also highlighted the 2004 tragedy in which 23 Chinese workers drowned at Morecambe Bay after being sent to gather shellfish.
"All the victims are from similar backgrounds, that they were mainly from rural areas where their livelihood was destroyed by the so-called modern industrialisation," Mr Lam said.
"Where they were forced to move away and make a living."
He said border control rules and a "hostile environment" were "creating a profitable environment for [the] trafficking business".
Mr Lam claimed a focus on the criminality of traffickers "totally lost the point", arguing government policy should look at the "route problem" behind migrant tragedies.
He said: "In the last two or three decades the so-called globalisation has brought the world closer, bringing capital to where there's cheap labour and destroying the environment of the local ecosystem and local livelihood."
But he said border controls were preventing migrants fulfilling opportunities in other labour markets.
"All of these things together are pushing these people into the hands of the only route to come in which is organised crime," Mr Lam said.
"We wish the Government would listen and be humane and change the system not to criminalise these people but unfortunately that hasn't happened and it's only got worse.
"Unless there is a change in border control and a change in the hostile environment this kind of tragedy will continue to happen."
People paying traffickers to bring move them illegally is what continues to fuel this deadly trade. It is not happening in a vacuum. As much as this was an horrific tragedy for the victims and their friends and families, the fact remains they were complicit in illegal immigration.He described the 39 Vietnamese people as "victims of globalisation" and drew parallels to previous migrant tragedies.
Mr Lam explained he acted as a middle man between the Chinese community and police after 58 bodies were found in a sealed, airless container at Dover port on June 18 2000.
He also highlighted the 2004 tragedy in which 23 Chinese workers drowned at Morecambe Bay after being sent to gather shellfish.
"All the victims are from similar backgrounds, that they were mainly from rural areas where their livelihood was destroyed by the so-called modern industrialisation," Mr Lam said.
"Where they were forced to move away and make a living."
He said border control rules and a "hostile environment" were "creating a profitable environment for [the] trafficking business".
Mr Lam claimed a focus on the criminality of traffickers "totally lost the point", arguing government policy should look at the "route problem" behind migrant tragedies.
He said: "In the last two or three decades the so-called globalisation has brought the world closer, bringing capital to where there's cheap labour and destroying the environment of the local ecosystem and local livelihood."
But he said border controls were preventing migrants fulfilling opportunities in other labour markets.
"All of these things together are pushing these people into the hands of the only route to come in which is organised crime," Mr Lam said.
"We wish the Government would listen and be humane and change the system not to criminalise these people but unfortunately that hasn't happened and it's only got worse.
"Unless there is a change in border control and a change in the hostile environment this kind of tragedy will continue to happen."
No one 'has' to deal with organised criminals.
The fact people enter here illegally makes them even more likely to fall prey to unscrupulous employers once here.
It's not physically possible, or logistically practical for everyone in the world who wishes to come to the UK to do so. There have to be some controls, not least to prevent entry for criminals and terrorists. There's no nice way of saying or doing that, but it's a fact. A tragic one nonetheless.
Ructions said:
A jury panel has been selected in the trial of four men - two of whom are from Northern Ireland - accused of being part of a people-smuggling ring linked to the deaths of 39 migrants.
The bodies of the Vietnamese nationals were discovered inside a lorry container shortly after it arrived in Purfleet, Essex, on a ferry in the early hours of October 23 last year.
among the men, women and children were 10 teenagers, two of them 15-year-old boys.
An inquest has heard their medical cause of death was asphyxia and hyperthermia - a lack of oxygen and overheating - in an enclosed space.
Eamonn Harrison (23), of Mayobridge, Co Down, Northern Ireland, is alleged to have driven the lorry trailer to the Belgian port of Zeebrugge before it sailed to Purfleet in England.
He is charged with 39 counts of manslaughter and one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration along with Gheorghe Nica, 43, of Langdon Hills, Basildon, Essex.
Valentin Calota (37), of Birmingham, and Christopher Kennedy (24), of Co Armagh, Northern Ireland, are charged with being part of the people-smuggling conspiracy.
The defendants have denied the charges against them.
The trial at the Old Bailey is being heard before Mr Justice Sweeney.
Today, a jury panel was selected and sent away until Wednesday October 7 when prosecutor Bill Emlyn Jones QC is expected to open the case.
Mr Justice Sweeney told the 22 potential jurors: "It is the jury who are the judges of fact in the trial in the Crown Court.
"Jurors reach their decisions based solely on the evidence that they hear in court and what they make of it, so it's extremely important from this moment onwards, even though you know precious little about the case, that you do not talk with anybody about it at all."
The senior judge said it was his first time as a "Covid-related judge" presiding over a trial under social distancing guidelines.
The trial is expected to go on for up to six weeks.
Re:The bit in bold,The bodies of the Vietnamese nationals were discovered inside a lorry container shortly after it arrived in Purfleet, Essex, on a ferry in the early hours of October 23 last year.
among the men, women and children were 10 teenagers, two of them 15-year-old boys.
An inquest has heard their medical cause of death was asphyxia and hyperthermia - a lack of oxygen and overheating - in an enclosed space.
Eamonn Harrison (23), of Mayobridge, Co Down, Northern Ireland, is alleged to have driven the lorry trailer to the Belgian port of Zeebrugge before it sailed to Purfleet in England.
He is charged with 39 counts of manslaughter and one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration along with Gheorghe Nica, 43, of Langdon Hills, Basildon, Essex.
Valentin Calota (37), of Birmingham, and Christopher Kennedy (24), of Co Armagh, Northern Ireland, are charged with being part of the people-smuggling conspiracy.
The defendants have denied the charges against them.
The trial at the Old Bailey is being heard before Mr Justice Sweeney.
Today, a jury panel was selected and sent away until Wednesday October 7 when prosecutor Bill Emlyn Jones QC is expected to open the case.
Mr Justice Sweeney told the 22 potential jurors: "It is the jury who are the judges of fact in the trial in the Crown Court.
"Jurors reach their decisions based solely on the evidence that they hear in court and what they make of it, so it's extremely important from this moment onwards, even though you know precious little about the case, that you do not talk with anybody about it at all."
The senior judge said it was his first time as a "Covid-related judge" presiding over a trial under social distancing guidelines.
The trial is expected to go on for up to six weeks.
Why are just two singled out, and what were the other 8x teenagers. Were they girls or were all the remaining teenagers legally adults?
Tommo87 said:
Re:The bit in bold,
Why are just two singled out, and what were the other 8x teenagers. Were they girls or were all the remaining teenagers legally adults?
Doesn't really matter, does it?Why are just two singled out, and what were the other 8x teenagers. Were they girls or were all the remaining teenagers legally adults?
As far as I am concerned, they were all human beings. Okay, they were not entering legally, but it is tragic any of them died in this way.
The people who make money out of this scam are the worst sort.
Digga said:
Tommo87 said:
Re:The bit in bold,
Why are just two singled out, and what were the other 8x teenagers. Were they girls or were all the remaining teenagers legally adults?
Doesn't really matter, does it?Why are just two singled out, and what were the other 8x teenagers. Were they girls or were all the remaining teenagers legally adults?
As far as I am concerned, they were all human beings. Okay, they were not entering legally, but it is tragic any of them died in this way.
The people who make money out of this scam are the worst sort.
anxious_ant said:
Agreed. I hope a long prison sentence would be imposed to the traffickers but that's just wishful thinking. Probably have a few months holiday on tax payers expense and released.
I doubt that, I think that an example will be made to discourage others and these guys will be due some serious porridge.Tom Logan said:
anxious_ant said:
Agreed. I hope a long prison sentence would be imposed to the traffickers but that's just wishful thinking. Probably have a few months holiday on tax payers expense and released.
I doubt that, I think that an example will be made to discourage others and these guys will be due some serious porridge.Seing as prison sentences aren't like inflation i'm not holding much hope out for a good stretch.
The details emerging in court are so shocking and sad.
How easy it is to forget these 39 people were human beings hoping for the best.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-i...
How easy it is to forget these 39 people were human beings hoping for the best.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-i...
Argleton said:
Odd watching the CCTV footage of the driver standing at the rear doors when discovering the bodies. Stood there for a minute wondering what to do. Then drove about for 20 odd minutes making phone calls before deciding to call ambulance.
It's odd behavior but I don't think it's "odd" that people act in an odd manner when faced with extreme circumstances, especially those related to unexpected, traumatic or violent death. If you watch any of the hundreds of true crime documentaries doing the rounds of late it's quite obvious that there is no generally expected way in which people "should" act in the situations. Even more so when they have contributed to the event. I think it's the fact that your brain hasn't been trained how to react to such things so doesn't know what to do. I recall years ago when the teenager was murdered, forget her name Jenkins?, beaten to death with a tent peg, I think. Her foster father was reported to have sat in his car adjusting the sun visor or mirror or something. That's certainly odd but I think it's just the fact that he didn't know how process the information his brain was getting.
AJL308 said:
Argleton said:
Odd watching the CCTV footage of the driver standing at the rear doors when discovering the bodies. Stood there for a minute wondering what to do. Then drove about for 20 odd minutes making phone calls before deciding to call ambulance.
It's odd behavior but I don't think it's "odd" that people act in an odd manner when faced with extreme circumstances, especially those related to unexpected, traumatic or violent death. If you watch any of the hundreds of true crime documentaries doing the rounds of late it's quite obvious that there is no generally expected way in which people "should" act in the situations. Even more so when they have contributed to the event. I think it's the fact that your brain hasn't been trained how to react to such things so doesn't know what to do. I recall years ago when the teenager was murdered, forget her name Jenkins?, beaten to death with a tent peg, I think. Her foster father was reported to have sat in his car adjusting the sun visor or mirror or something. That's certainly odd but I think it's just the fact that he didn't know how process the information his brain was getting.
More details.
I'm actually impressed that so much interrelated evidence has been obtained by the police investigators across the various countries involved.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-i...
I'm actually impressed that so much interrelated evidence has been obtained by the police investigators across the various countries involved.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-i...
Poor Mo, the racist people trafficker, is struggling with the mental trauma of his crime. Get the nano-scale violins out.
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ire...
https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ire...
County Armagh lorry drivers Maurice Robinson and Christopher Kennedy are among eight men who will be sentenced over the deaths of 39 migrants in Essex last year.
Robinson, 25, from Laurelvale (main image), pleaded guilty to 39 counts of manslaughter as well as conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and acquiring criminal property.
Kennedy, from Corkley Road in Darkley, as found guilty of one count of conspiracy to facilitate the commission of a breach of UK immigration law.
The pair will be sentenced between today (Thursday) and Friday at the Old Bailey in London, alongside Eamonn Harrison, a 24-year-old lorry driver from Mayobridge, who was found guilty of 39 counts of manslaughter and guilty of one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration.
Ronan Hughes, 40, of Tyholland in County Monaghan, also pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of those onboard and facilitating the illegal entry of people into the UK.
They will be sentenced alongside:
– Valentin Calota, 38, of Cossingham Road in Birmingham, was found guilty of one count of conspiracy to facilitate the commission of a breach of UK immigration law;
– Gheorghe Nica, 43, of Mimosa Close in Langdon Hills, was found guilty of 39 counts of manslaughter and guilty of one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration;
– A Tottenham man, 42-year-old Gazmir Nuzi of Barclay Road, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration;
– And 28-year-old Alexandru Hanga, of Hobart Road in Tilbury, pleaded guilty to a count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration.
The sentencing comes following the tragic discovery of 39 unresponsive Vietnamese men, women and children in the early hours of Wednesday, October 23, 2019 by Robinson.
Robinson, 25, from Laurelvale (main image), pleaded guilty to 39 counts of manslaughter as well as conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration and acquiring criminal property.
Kennedy, from Corkley Road in Darkley, as found guilty of one count of conspiracy to facilitate the commission of a breach of UK immigration law.
The pair will be sentenced between today (Thursday) and Friday at the Old Bailey in London, alongside Eamonn Harrison, a 24-year-old lorry driver from Mayobridge, who was found guilty of 39 counts of manslaughter and guilty of one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration.
Ronan Hughes, 40, of Tyholland in County Monaghan, also pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of those onboard and facilitating the illegal entry of people into the UK.
They will be sentenced alongside:
– Valentin Calota, 38, of Cossingham Road in Birmingham, was found guilty of one count of conspiracy to facilitate the commission of a breach of UK immigration law;
– Gheorghe Nica, 43, of Mimosa Close in Langdon Hills, was found guilty of 39 counts of manslaughter and guilty of one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration;
– A Tottenham man, 42-year-old Gazmir Nuzi of Barclay Road, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration;
– And 28-year-old Alexandru Hanga, of Hobart Road in Tilbury, pleaded guilty to a count of conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration.
The sentencing comes following the tragic discovery of 39 unresponsive Vietnamese men, women and children in the early hours of Wednesday, October 23, 2019 by Robinson.
JuniorD said:
It’s very positive to see a big case like this investigated, tried, and sentenced within 15 months.
I hope the sentences are substantial.
Agreed.I hope the sentences are substantial.
People traffickers are despicable and are a hazard to those they traffic and to society alike. Sentences need to send a message and set an example and precedent
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