39 bodies found in Lorry : illegals ?

[Getragdogleg]

Gameface said:

Getragdogleg said:

REALIST123 said:

It’s the truck driver’s job to keep his truck secure.

Its that sort of binary thinking that is why this country is in the st it is in.

Nothing like a bit over exaggeration.

It's up to you to keep your car secure. Leave the keys in it and once it's been nicked, see if the insurance company pay out.

No, that example is common sense, asking a driver to be responsible for a truck is fair enough but to suggest he is responsible for illegals is asking too much given the tricks and sheer ingenuity often employed to stow away on.

Many trailers we pick up are sealed with special locks and one use only seals. I'm not allowed to look in the trailer because that would break the seal and the end customer has to check the seals are intact or they refuse the whole lot, especially foodstuffs.

How am I responsible for anyone in the load if I cant check it ? But yet I am and I am fined if there are stowaways.

And no, its all the little erosions like this that add up to create a society who don't want to help and just want to blame someone else all the time. In this case the drivers are at the bottom of the ladder and yet are told time and time again that all responsibility rests with them, we are fined and told we are "professional drivers" when its time to point the finger of blame at us.

The rest of the time people wish we were invisible or didn't exist.

[Digga]

Simply awful. Tragic.

Not nice for the police to have to investigate either. They really earn their pay on days like these.

[Finlandia]

Gameface said:

Getragdogleg said:

REALIST123 said:

It’s the truck driver’s job to keep his truck secure.

Its that sort of binary thinking that is why this country is in the st it is in.

Nothing like a bit over exaggeration.

It's up to you to keep your car secure. Leave the keys in it and once it's been nicked, see if the insurance company pay out.

Some trucks require the keys to be inserted and aux power mode on to be able to use the tail lift. Apparently that is what happened in the terrorattack in Stockholm.

[chilistrucker]

Some interesting and valid points made here.
Where the truck has stopped is 10 miles from me, and knowing the area well, that particular spot is a very unusual Place to bring a lorry to a stop.
They say it came from Bulgaria and took said route. The truck itself is never a typical Bulgarian truck. It has all the hallmarks of a very stereotypical Irish truck just from its particular model, paint job and general look, (a tang truck)
I’m fact it very much has the appearance to make it appear to be a Dutch wagon.

That’s not to say it hasn’t been sold to a Bulgarian company at some point, but it had a 25 year old driver said to be from Northern Ireland. Born on, or resident of?

Unless that truck had a specified delivery in Ireland it would never have taken that route.

From someone who has been a truck driver in the UK and Europe for 25 years everything about the truck, it’s appearance and it’s route stinks of
Organised crime, whether that be Bulgarian, or Northern Ireland based, who knows? Hopefully time and the investigation will tell.

39 dead for the financial gain of others.

I guess since the peace treaty certain organisations had to find a new way to generate their funds.

Worth noting it is 100% a reefer trailer,
(Refrigerated) so they do have a ventilation hole if the trailer were empty.
If loaded with a fresh or frozen load the vent would be closed to maintain the required temperature inside the trailer.

Or, it could glued shut to ‘keep any noise down.’

[chilistrucker]

Some interesting and valid points made here.
Where the truck has stopped is 10 miles from me, and knowing the area well, that particular spot is a very unusual Place to bring a lorry to a stop.
They say it came from Bulgaria and took said route. The truck itself is never a typical Bulgarian truck. It has all the hallmarks of a very stereotypical Irish truck just from its particular model, paint job and general look, (a tang truck)
I’m fact it very much has the appearance to make it appear to be a Dutch wagon.

That’s not to say it hasn’t been sold to a Bulgarian company at some point, but it had a 25 year old driver said to be from Northern Ireland. Born on, or resident of?

Unless that truck had a specified delivery in Ireland it would never have taken that route.

From someone who has been a truck driver in the UK and Europe for 25 years everything about the truck, it’s appearance and it’s route stinks of
Organised crime, whether that be Bulgarian, or Northern Ireland based, who knows? Hopefully time and the investigation will tell.

39 dead for the financial gain of others.

I guess since the peace treaty certain organisations had to find a new way to generate their funds.

Worth noting it is 100% a reefer trailer,
(Refrigerated) so they do have a ventilation hole if the trailer were empty.
If loaded with a fresh or frozen load the vent would be closed to maintain the required temperature inside the trailer.

Or, it could glued shut to ‘keep any noise down.’

[JuniorD]

Truck apparently traveled from Belfast to Dublin before crossing to Holyhead. It's really strange. I

[227bhp]

Getragdogleg said:

No, that example is common sense, asking a driver to be responsible for a truck is fair enough but to suggest he is responsible for illegals is asking too much given the tricks and sheer ingenuity often employed to stow away on.

Many trailers we pick up are sealed with special locks and one use only seals. I'm not allowed to look in the trailer because that would break the seal and the end customer has to check the seals are intact or they refuse the whole lot, especially foodstuffs.

How am I responsible for anyone in the load if I cant check it ? But yet I am and I am fined if there are stowaways.

And no, its all the little erosions like this that add up to create a society who don't want to help and just want to blame someone else all the time. In this case the drivers are at the bottom of the ladder and yet are told time and time again that all responsibility rests with them, we are fined and told we are "professional drivers" when its time to point the finger of blame at us.

The rest of the time people wish we were invisible or didn't exist.

What you've written there isn't making any sense. Surely all the driver needs to do is look at the seal, if it's broken then well.....

[Evanivitch]

REALIST123 said:

Not really. As said earlier, most of the tricks to gain access are well known, it just takes the commitment to check properly.

Obviously it's an escalating game of cat and mouse between traffickers and truck drivers. The know methods we see now are probably considered old-hat to the traffickers that will have identified new methods.

The fact that the load is sealed, or packed tightly, means it's always going to be difficult to check in transit.

[Gameface]

Getragdogleg said:

Gameface said:

Getragdogleg said:

REALIST123 said:

It’s the truck driver’s job to keep his truck secure.

Its that sort of binary thinking that is why this country is in the st it is in.

Nothing like a bit over exaggeration.

It's up to you to keep your car secure. Leave the keys in it and once it's been nicked, see if the insurance company pay out.

No, that example is common sense, asking a driver to be responsible for a truck is fair enough but to suggest he is responsible for illegals is asking too much given the tricks and sheer ingenuity often employed to stow away on.

Many trailers we pick up are sealed with special locks and one use only seals. I'm not allowed to look in the trailer because that would break the seal and the end customer has to check the seals are intact or they refuse the whole lot, especially foodstuffs.

How am I responsible for anyone in the load if I cant check it ? But yet I am and I am fined if there are stowaways.

And no, its all the little erosions like this that add up to create a society who don't want to help and just want to blame someone else all the time. In this case the drivers are at the bottom of the ladder and yet are told time and time again that all responsibility rests with them, we are fined and told we are "professional drivers" when its time to point the finger of blame at us.

The rest of the time people wish we were invisible or didn't exist.

Sounds like you hate your job.

[Europa1]

REALIST123 said:

Not really. As said earlier, most of the tricks to gain access are well known, it just takes the commitment to check properly.

Username does not compute with post.

[Scootersp]

227bhp said:

What you've written there isn't making any sense. Surely all the driver needs to do is look at the seal, if it's broken then well.....

What he's saying is they know this too, so glue the padlock or replace a seal with a copy (they are metal plastic coded bands or were 25 years ago when I saw them regularly) so the driver can never 'double check' inside the container/trailer he'd have to notice the switch/change of seal?

[227bhp]

Report said:

Truck and its refrigerated trailer arrived on Saturday, meaning victims may have been inside for four days

How do they know they've been in for four days if the truck came from Bulgaria? Are they assuming they got in in Ireland? If so it's pointless that the truck came from Bulgaria.
Why did it go to Ireland and then here?
Why has it spent 4 days travelling round in the UK?

[Paddymcc]

The chap appears to have left his social media open with plenty of pics of the lorry

Edited by Paddymcc on Wednesday 23 October 15:43

[Initforthemoney]

Seems an odd place for it to stop?

Or was it pulled over?

[Not-The-Messiah]

Eric Mc said:

It will almost undoubtedly be down to suffocation. It's not the first time this has happened - although I can't recall an incident on this scale before.

To be pedantic it won't be suffocation but carbon dioxide poisoning that killed them. You can't have 39 people in a almost air tight space for very long before the co2 levels get dangerous high.

[anonymous-user]

Gameface said:

Getragdogleg said:

Gameface said:

Getragdogleg said:

REALIST123 said:

It’s the truck driver’s job to keep his truck secure.

Its that sort of binary thinking that is why this country is in the st it is in.

Nothing like a bit over exaggeration.

It's up to you to keep your car secure. Leave the keys in it and once it's been nicked, see if the insurance company pay out.

No, that example is common sense, asking a driver to be responsible for a truck is fair enough but to suggest he is responsible for illegals is asking too much given the tricks and sheer ingenuity often employed to stow away on.

Many trailers we pick up are sealed with special locks and one use only seals. I'm not allowed to look in the trailer because that would break the seal and the end customer has to check the seals are intact or they refuse the whole lot, especially foodstuffs.

How am I responsible for anyone in the load if I cant check it ? But yet I am and I am fined if there are stowaways.

And no, its all the little erosions like this that add up to create a society who don't want to help and just want to blame someone else all the time. In this case the drivers are at the bottom of the ladder and yet are told time and time again that all responsibility rests with them, we are fined and told we are "professional drivers" when its time to point the finger of blame at us.

The rest of the time people wish we were invisible or didn't exist.

Sounds like you hate your job.

He's pretty much spot on though, that just reminded me my driver card is due for it's 5 yearly renewal in 6 months but hasn't actually been used once and why in haven't driven a truck in over 9 years except when I helped a pal out once.

And as my last job was in policy stuff and roadside facilities I can only see it getting worse a lot worse as the gov, truck companies etc don't give a toss about drivers, it's a good job we don't need them for everything we use eh.
One of the reasons I left driving over 15 years ago, as did many others with the advent of DCPC and paper shuffling and box ticking.

[Art0ir]

Initforthemoney said:

Seems an odd place for it to stop?

Or was it pulled over?

It was the designated meeting point if other drivers are to be believed - take that with a pinch of salt

[anonymous-user]

chilistrucker said:

Worth noting it is 100% a reefer trailer,
(Refrigerated) so they do have a ventilation hole if the trailer were empty.
If loaded with a fresh or frozen load the vent would be closed to maintain the required temperature inside the trailer.

Or, it could glued shut to ‘keep any noise down.’

As if that would happen in the lovely fluffy world of PH loveliness

[Blue62]

Gameface said:

Sounds like you hate your job.

I imagine it’s a very stressful job and the fines handed to drivers who, in many instances, are unwitting victims themselves, just adds insult to injury. Some of the ignorant, binary responses on here are typical of a particular type on here who feel they know the answer before they’ve posed the question. A dash of empathy might help .

[AJL308]

eybic said:

Is it not normally the case that the initial charge will be the "highest" as it would be difficult to later increase the severity of the charge? At least murder can be downgraded to manslaughter whereas it would be difficult to increase it to Murder I guess??

He hasn't been charged with anything yet. He's been arrested on suspicion.