Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
jshell said:
Interesting numbers you've dug out, but I suppose I was thinking about the younger more social media savvy generations as that's where there's more chat and focus... As always, prepared to be proven wrong in the debate!
Looks like the younger voters are more convinced of AGW science than the older ones?
Again though it doesn’t show change over time which is what you might be commenting about.
El stovey said:
jshell said:
Interesting numbers you've dug out, but I suppose I was thinking about the younger more social media savvy generations as that's where there's more chat and focus... As always, prepared to be proven wrong in the debate!
Looks like the younger voters are more convinced of AGW science than the older ones?
Again though it doesn’t show change over time which is what you might be commenting about.
Diderot said:
El stovey said:
jshell said:
Interesting numbers you've dug out, but I suppose I was thinking about the younger more social media savvy generations as that's where there's more chat and focus... As always, prepared to be proven wrong in the debate!
Looks like the younger voters are more convinced of AGW science than the older ones?
Again though it doesn’t show change over time which is what you might be commenting about.
Do you notice that - “people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“
Or that belief or agreement in AGW science is more prevalent as time goes on?
Talking about time going on...
Just doing a bit of work for a new tome (on oldie 'subject' - not oldie 'person', before the ageists get in.)
This was among some cuttings.
This Climate Change thing goes back a tad, eh?
It's like recycled old news!
Just doing a bit of work for a new tome (on oldie 'subject' - not oldie 'person', before the ageists get in.)
This was among some cuttings.
This Climate Change thing goes back a tad, eh?
It's like recycled old news!Edited by dandarez on Tuesday 3rd December 14:53
El stovey said:
Again it doesn’t support your view that “ people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“
Discreting the "waking up to the fact" would be better served by a graph that runs through 2019 and that covers the time when XR and Greta have spouted their hysterics of doom.
V10leptoquark said:
El stovey said:
Again it doesn’t support your view that “ people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“
Discreting the "waking up to the fact" would be better served by a graph that runs through 2019 and that covers the time when XR and Greta have spouted their hysterics of doom.
As I said this was the only graph I could find that showed changing opinions over time. Feel free to find others that show more accurate data.
ETA
Here’s what I think you were looking for. “a graph that runs through 2019 and that covers the time when XR and Greta have spouted their hysterics of doom.”
From yougov
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd December 15:49
El stovey said:
Maybe produce that graph yourself instead of accusing me of cherry picking?
As I said this was the only graph I could find that showed changing opinions over time. Feel free to find others that show more accurate data.
Edit. As I said this was the only graph I could find that showed changing opinions over time. Feel free to find others that show more accurate data.
Thanks for the above graph.
28% have a concern - 72% have no concern.
Interesting to see how a weather event can be equated to 'climate change' though
Edited by V10leptoquark on Tuesday 3rd December 15:58
V10leptoquark said:
28% have a concern - 72% have no concern.
Interesting to see how a weather event can be equated to 'climate change' though
That’s not what it shows at all. Interesting to see how a weather event can be equated to 'climate change' though
Edited by V10leptoquark on Tuesday 3rd December 15:58
Also the discussion was about whether any amount of concern was decreasing or increasing.
The evidence actually appears to be that concern is not decreasing as posters above indicated.
Meanwhile, from many miles away by diesel-powered superyacht, reports are emerging of radical socialist and UN bigwig Guterres warning us from the carbonfest COP25 that there isn't as yet enough radical socialism in the world to cure scary agw, which is in sight and hurtling towards us. Wasn't it supposed to be here? Fortunately radical soclialism isn't, and with luck No 10 will be Corbyn Free by 2020.
Guterres 'significant danger to the free world'
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/opinio...
Guterres: Globalist, Socialist, Extremist
https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/i...
Guterres 'significant danger to the free world'
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/opinio...
Guterres: Globalist, Socialist, Extremist
https://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/i...
El stovey said:
V10leptoquark said:
28% have a concern - 72% have no concern.
Interesting to see how a weather event can be equated to 'climate change' though
That’s not what it shows at all. Interesting to see how a weather event can be equated to 'climate change' though
Edited by V10leptoquark on Tuesday 3rd December 15:58
Also the discussion was about whether any amount of concern was decreasing or increasing.
The evidence actually appears to be that concern is not decreasing as posters above indicated.
El stovey said:
V10leptoquark said:
El stovey said:
Again it doesn’t support your view that “ people are waking up to the fact that this utter hysterical bilge is political in nature“
Discreting the "waking up to the fact" would be better served by a graph that runs through 2019 and that covers the time when XR and Greta have spouted their hysterics of doom.
As I said this was the only graph I could find that showed changing opinions over time. Feel free to find others that show more accurate data.
ETA
Here’s what I think you were looking for. “a graph that runs through 2019 and that covers the time when XR and Greta have spouted their hysterics of doom.”
From yougov
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-repo...
I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
jshell said:
Hold on! That says 'Environment', not Climate.
I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
I see your point but would those other environmental issues lead to worries about it affecting the U.K. though? I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
This was the question in the poll.
“Top Issues Tracker (GB)
Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.”
Either way a few of you were saying the tide is turning about AGW etc earlier but haven’t provided any evidence whatsoever to back it up and actually most surveys or data indicate the opposite.
I appreciate you might be saying that public opinion about AGW is only just starting to turn in the last few weeks and over the next few months or years we’ll see the data proving it.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 3rd December 17:42
El stovey said:
jshell said:
Hold on! That says 'Environment', not Climate.
I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
I see your point but would those other environmental issues lead to worries about it affecting the U.K. though? I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
Either way a few of you were saying the tide is turning about AGW etc earlier but haven’t provided any evidence whatsoever to back it up and actually most surveys or data indicate the opposite.
I appreciate you might be saying it’s only just starting to turn in the last few weeks and over the next few months or years we’ll see the data proving it,
There is one thing the public showing concern about something and completely another thing them being to prepared to make significant life changes and sacrifices to do something about.
It's easy for people say "yes I'm concerned about that" it's like almost everything in this election. Loads of idiots going "more money needs to be spent on things like the NHS, education and so on". If they were being honest it would be a case of "OK this is the bill and how much it's going to cost you and your kids". The reply you inevitably get is "sod that Im not paying for it someone else should sort it" the climate is exactly the same.
It's easy for people say "yes I'm concerned about that" it's like almost everything in this election. Loads of idiots going "more money needs to be spent on things like the NHS, education and so on". If they were being honest it would be a case of "OK this is the bill and how much it's going to cost you and your kids". The reply you inevitably get is "sod that Im not paying for it someone else should sort it" the climate is exactly the same.
Diderot said:
El stovey said:
jshell said:
Interesting numbers you've dug out, but I suppose I was thinking about the younger more social media savvy generations as that's where there's more chat and focus... As always, prepared to be proven wrong in the debate!
Looks like the younger voters are more convinced of AGW science than the older ones?
Again though it doesn’t show change over time which is what you might be commenting about.
This may already have been posted at some point but I don;t recall any discussion that seemed relevant so I thought I wold post it here anyway.
1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSDLRm3jhc8
A 20+ minute film narrated partly by Leonard Nimoy, which is clearly a propaganda exercise for the big energy companies.
It bases its claims of the potential for an approaching ice age on the flimsy events of a rather severe winter in northern USA, notably Buffalo in 1977.
So that's just after a memorably hot summer in the UK and much of Europe.
An number of so called "scientists" are given screen time to explain how devastating a new ice age might be and how there are signs that one might be approaching.
Just after the 19 minute point one Professor Stephen Schneider explains his fears for both the potential ice age and the problems that some, perhaps most, of the proposed solutions to the problem might cause.
He sounds very convincing. But of course it was the 1970s and everyone was quite young back then and knew so much more than they did as they got older.
The image and the sound quality are pretty dreadful as one might expect. But the messages are clear and convincing for the time they were made.
1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSDLRm3jhc8
A 20+ minute film narrated partly by Leonard Nimoy, which is clearly a propaganda exercise for the big energy companies.
It bases its claims of the potential for an approaching ice age on the flimsy events of a rather severe winter in northern USA, notably Buffalo in 1977.
So that's just after a memorably hot summer in the UK and much of Europe.
An number of so called "scientists" are given screen time to explain how devastating a new ice age might be and how there are signs that one might be approaching.
Just after the 19 minute point one Professor Stephen Schneider explains his fears for both the potential ice age and the problems that some, perhaps most, of the proposed solutions to the problem might cause.
He sounds very convincing. But of course it was the 1970s and everyone was quite young back then and knew so much more than they did as they got older.
The image and the sound quality are pretty dreadful as one might expect. But the messages are clear and convincing for the time they were made.
El stovey said:
jshell said:
Hold on! That says 'Environment', not Climate.
I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
I see your point but would those other environmental issues lead to worries about it affecting the U.K. though? I'm absolutely sure that there is a rising tide of concern about 'The Environment', but many of us have said for years that man made up climate change is providing a smoke screen for the GENUINE environmental issues of smog in China, plastic waste, pollution, enegy stability, landfill, overfishing, illegal logging, etc, etc, etc
This was the question in the poll.
“Top Issues Tracker (GB)
Which of the following do you think are the most important issues facing the country at this time? Please tick up to three.”
Either way a few of you were saying the tide is turning about AGW etc earlier but haven’t provided any evidence whatsoever to back it up and actually most surveys or data indicate the opposite.
I appreciate you might be saying that public opinion about AGW is only just starting to turn in the last few weeks and over the next few months or years we’ll see the data proving it.
I think the scare stories are starting to affect the mental health of some people who are being scared to death. I've personally had to 'talk down' a mother at my daughter's school who was virtually in tears about the impending climate-doom-mageddon. There's a special pit in hell reserved for those scaremongers.
EU Climate Leadership in Doubt as Bloc Set to Miss 2030 Goal
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/12/04/busine...
EU climate leadership
Carbon Dioxide Emissions On Steady Upward Trend
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/carbon-diox...
No drop before the end of the next decade (at the earliest) by that time we'll be frying in our own juices
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/12/04/busine...
EU climate leadership
Carbon Dioxide Emissions On Steady Upward Trend
https://www.voanews.com/science-health/carbon-diox...
No drop before the end of the next decade (at the earliest) by that time we'll be frying in our own juices
Good news
Global warming creates free bacon for everybody
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/celebrity/ar...
Global warming creates free bacon for everybody
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/celebrity/ar...
Climate change is causing birds to shrink, study says
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-506...
As the climate warms, birds are shrinking and their wingspans are growing, according to a new study...continues
So where is the hard concrete evidence of this? The story is just reporting a study. Not enough to attribute the findings to anything. It seems as if whatever happens in nature these days is attributed to CC.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-506...
As the climate warms, birds are shrinking and their wingspans are growing, according to a new study...continues
So where is the hard concrete evidence of this? The story is just reporting a study. Not enough to attribute the findings to anything. It seems as if whatever happens in nature these days is attributed to CC.
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