Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
Tony427 said:
Murph7355 said:
robinessex said:
Deforested parts of Amazon 'emitting more CO2 than they absorb'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-514...
Up to one fifth of the Amazon rainforest is emitting more CO2 than it absorbs, new research suggests.
Results from a decade-long study of greenhouse gases over the Amazon basin appear to show around 20% of the total area has become a net source of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
One of the main causes is deforestation.
While trees are growing they absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere; dead trees release it again.
Millions of trees have been lost to logging and fires in recent years.
The results of the study, which have not yet been published, have implications for the effort to combat climate change.
They suggest that the Amazon rainforest - a vital carbon store, or "sink", that slows the pace of global warming - may be turning into a carbon source faster than previously thought.........continues
Oops. Where is this allowed for in the CC mathematical models then?
Isn't this effectively saying that logging activity (deforestation) is causing the issue?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-514...
Up to one fifth of the Amazon rainforest is emitting more CO2 than it absorbs, new research suggests.
Results from a decade-long study of greenhouse gases over the Amazon basin appear to show around 20% of the total area has become a net source of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
One of the main causes is deforestation.
While trees are growing they absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere; dead trees release it again.
Millions of trees have been lost to logging and fires in recent years.
The results of the study, which have not yet been published, have implications for the effort to combat climate change.
They suggest that the Amazon rainforest - a vital carbon store, or "sink", that slows the pace of global warming - may be turning into a carbon source faster than previously thought.........continues
Oops. Where is this allowed for in the CC mathematical models then?
I guess that's likely to be man doing it...
Quite.
Seems like the greenies have forgotten about the law of unintended consequencies.
We stopped burning our own coal, shipping in forests from elsewhere in the world to burn instead, thus releasing even more carbon which isn't being absorbed.
You couldnt make this crap up.
robinessex said:
Ford boss urges re-think on electric hybrid car ban
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51485912
The boss of Ford Europe has raised concerns about a possible 2032 ban on petrol, diesel and hybrid cars.
The date was suggested by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps as part of a range of potential dates the government was looking at.
Reflecting on the announcement, Mr Rowley said: "Plug-in hybrids can be an important part of technology mix."
He also called for more infrastructure investment for electric vehicles, including more access to chargers.
The potential 2032 ban, announced by Mr Shapps in a BBC interview, brings the date forward from 2035. This date had already been brought forward from 2040. Last week, the government also stated it is bringing plug-in hybrids into the ban "for the first time".
Speaking on Radio 5 live's Wake Up To Money, Mr Rowley called the target "hugely ambitious", adding: "Whether we are going to achieve 2035 or 2032, it's going to require huge investment and for us to work together as an industry, the government, cities and consumers to make this transition.".....continues
Is this warning shot across the government's bows? They ought to consult the experts before shooting from the hip. Idiots !!
VW were saying exactly the same thing in Germany a week or two back.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51485912
The boss of Ford Europe has raised concerns about a possible 2032 ban on petrol, diesel and hybrid cars.
The date was suggested by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps as part of a range of potential dates the government was looking at.
Reflecting on the announcement, Mr Rowley said: "Plug-in hybrids can be an important part of technology mix."
He also called for more infrastructure investment for electric vehicles, including more access to chargers.
The potential 2032 ban, announced by Mr Shapps in a BBC interview, brings the date forward from 2035. This date had already been brought forward from 2040. Last week, the government also stated it is bringing plug-in hybrids into the ban "for the first time".
Speaking on Radio 5 live's Wake Up To Money, Mr Rowley called the target "hugely ambitious", adding: "Whether we are going to achieve 2035 or 2032, it's going to require huge investment and for us to work together as an industry, the government, cities and consumers to make this transition.".....continues
Is this warning shot across the government's bows? They ought to consult the experts before shooting from the hip. Idiots !!
So that will apply to the entire VAG group.
The manufacturers are now faced with a declining market that, for existing products, will almost certainly start to decline more rapidly as the deadlines loom. They have somehow to try to recover the investment in the ICE tech that they have been forced to create in the past decade and that which is yet to come whilst somehow also creating an entire electric vehicle product line and building somewhat compatible charging networks across several continents.
All of that assumes that there are no further significant disruptions caused by "policy" or, rather, politicians having contests to who can urinate highest.
I feel we voters would be best served by tying in the politician's future wealth and freedoms to the success of their policies and voting record. Likewise their "advisors" future.
Meanwhile events in Eire are interesting and Germany seems to be struggling to find long lasting sticking plasters.
France is hardly problem free. Likewise Spain and Italy.
The US faces an interesting Presidential election.
Much of South America is still on the brink of the various brinks they have been on for years.
The world's base economy and manufacturing division (China) is gripped by serious health panic which is quite likely to last for some time and have significant effects on their local economy followed by the economy of the entire world.
A lot of what the world could and would do with things "electric" are more than a little dependent on a "just in time" manufacturing operation in China operating.
2020 could turn out to be a very interesting year.
If the Middle East leaders decide that all of this chaos is a good time dig up their hatchets in anger once again would that focus people's minds or add to the chaos? We may yet find out.
Jimbeaux said:
Tony427 said:
Murph7355 said:
robinessex said:
Deforested parts of Amazon 'emitting more CO2 than they absorb'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-514...
Up to one fifth of the Amazon rainforest is emitting more CO2 than it absorbs, new research suggests.
Results from a decade-long study of greenhouse gases over the Amazon basin appear to show around 20% of the total area has become a net source of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
One of the main causes is deforestation.
While trees are growing they absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere; dead trees release it again.
Millions of trees have been lost to logging and fires in recent years.
The results of the study, which have not yet been published, have implications for the effort to combat climate change.
They suggest that the Amazon rainforest - a vital carbon store, or "sink", that slows the pace of global warming - may be turning into a carbon source faster than previously thought.........continues
Oops. Where is this allowed for in the CC mathematical models then?
Isn't this effectively saying that logging activity (deforestation) is causing the issue?https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-514...
Up to one fifth of the Amazon rainforest is emitting more CO2 than it absorbs, new research suggests.
Results from a decade-long study of greenhouse gases over the Amazon basin appear to show around 20% of the total area has become a net source of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
One of the main causes is deforestation.
While trees are growing they absorb carbon dioxide from the atmosphere; dead trees release it again.
Millions of trees have been lost to logging and fires in recent years.
The results of the study, which have not yet been published, have implications for the effort to combat climate change.
They suggest that the Amazon rainforest - a vital carbon store, or "sink", that slows the pace of global warming - may be turning into a carbon source faster than previously thought.........continues
Oops. Where is this allowed for in the CC mathematical models then?
I guess that's likely to be man doing it...
Quite.
Seems like the greenies have forgotten about the law of unintended consequencies.
We stopped burning our own coal, shipping in forests from elsewhere in the world to burn instead, thus releasing even more carbon which isn't being absorbed.
You couldnt make this crap up.
If they have cut down local trees (to save transport miles) they can use the culling to create fire breaks in the forests to stop the things just burning down wastefully at scale.
Plus if they manage to clear some decent sized areas the potential for solar and wind farms could be huge.
The straws, after use, could be turned into biomass fuel.
Meanwhile the deforested areas not required for wind and solar could be re-planted as part of the re-greening exercise thus absorbing some carbon. (Such a shame that the excellent growth and carbon capture properties of the Eucalyptus tree is somewhat negatively affected by its propensity to catch fire without too much prompting at certain points in its lifecycle.)
I'm sure someone has a spread sheet and graph that proves how ecologically viable such a proposal will be.
That said the straws may not be viable for drinking Almond milk (a recent fad I am informed) due the very large water usage such trees demand.
Is California sustainable?
LongQ said:
Makes sense Jimbeaux.
If they have cut down local trees (to save transport miles) they can use the culling to create fire breaks in the forests to stop the things just burning down wastefully at scale.
Plus if they manage to clear some decent sized areas the potential for solar and wind farms could be huge.
The straws, after use, could be turned into biomass fuel.
Meanwhile the deforested areas not required for wind and solar could be re-planted as part of the re-greening exercise thus absorbing some carbon. (Such a shame that the excellent growth and carbon capture properties of the Eucalyptus tree is somewhat negatively affected by its propensity to catch fire without too much prompting at certain points in its lifecycle.)
I'm sure someone has a spread sheet and graph that proves how ecologically viable such a proposal will be.
That said the straws may not be viable for drinking Almond milk (a recent fad I am informed) due the very large water usage such trees demand.
Is California sustainable?
If they have cut down local trees (to save transport miles) they can use the culling to create fire breaks in the forests to stop the things just burning down wastefully at scale.
Plus if they manage to clear some decent sized areas the potential for solar and wind farms could be huge.
The straws, after use, could be turned into biomass fuel.
Meanwhile the deforested areas not required for wind and solar could be re-planted as part of the re-greening exercise thus absorbing some carbon. (Such a shame that the excellent growth and carbon capture properties of the Eucalyptus tree is somewhat negatively affected by its propensity to catch fire without too much prompting at certain points in its lifecycle.)
I'm sure someone has a spread sheet and graph that proves how ecologically viable such a proposal will be.
That said the straws may not be viable for drinking Almond milk (a recent fad I am informed) due the very large water usage such trees demand.
Is California sustainable?
Well laid out! As to your question; no.Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 14th February 15:26
The master plan will work...… The sale of new ICE and hybrid cars will be banned in 2032, but there won't be enough electric cars (or infrastructure) to meet the demand, so less of the planet destroyed due to car manufacturing!
Tv companies (if there is electric left for TVs to work) will be clamoring to make documentaries about it all - Brekit will be a distant memory
Tv companies (if there is electric left for TVs to work) will be clamoring to make documentaries about it all - Brekit will be a distant memory
I live on a housing estate that was built in the countryside after the war to house those who were homeless. It's now all private, 800 houses. When it was built in 1957, very few houses had cars, there were no houses with garages (a few do now). Most of the cars park in the road at night now. Some house are placed around greens with vehicle parking 100mtrs away. Just how are all these vehicles going to be able to 'plugin' each evening to the grid?
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6137107,0.325682...
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.6137107,0.325682...
Oh, damn, damn, damn, damn, DAM! The UN "scientists" (ha ha) want to build a big dam to stop the "rising" level of the North Sea.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
Langweilig said:
Oh, damn, damn, damn, damn, DAM! The UN "scientists" (ha ha) want to build a big dam to stop the "rising" level of the North Sea.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
No plans for where sea level is falling? How unexpected!https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
Socialists and Greens - little difference these days - plan to hold the EU Parliament to ransom.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1242251/EU-ne...
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1242251/EU-ne...
I'm reading a book at the moment called "Humans: A Brief History of How We F****d It All Up" by Tom Philipps. All the CC evangelists and politicians should read it. Chapter 2 "Nice Environment You've Got There" deals with the results of mankind adjusting nature. We lost. The most recent example given is what happened to the central plains of the USA in the first half of the twentieth century. The result was The American Dust Bowel https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/du... My advice to all CC evangelists and Politicians is to leave the planet alone, it can look after itself.
Langweilig said:
Oh, damn, damn, damn, damn, DAM! The UN "scientists" (ha ha) want to build a big dam to stop the "rising" level of the North Sea.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
No panic about the countries that are sinking then?https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
robinessex said:
No panic about the countries that are sinking then?
https://www.psmsl.org/data/obtaining/stations/22.p...1 foot in 100 years - might have some time yet.....
Langweilig said:
Oh, damn, damn, damn, damn, DAM! The UN "scientists" (ha ha) want to build a big dam to stop the "rising" level of the North Sea.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
Boris would support that.https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
It would make the post Brexit discussions about EU fishing rights somewhat moot I think - or are they also thinking of it as a giant managed fish tank?
What do the models say about the changes in weather patterns as water flows are significantly altered?
With suggestions like this reaching the public domain we can only hope that the sole purpose is to inform the masses that a large number of very otherwise intelligent people are, in fact, right on the edge of complete madness.
LongQ said:
Langweilig said:
Oh, damn, damn, damn, damn, DAM! The UN "scientists" (ha ha) want to build a big dam to stop the "rising" level of the North Sea.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
Boris would support that.https://uk.news.yahoo.com/climate-crisis-plan-dam-...
It would make the post Brexit discussions about EU fishing rights somewhat moot I think - or are they also thinking of it as a giant managed fish tank?
What do the models say about the changes in weather patterns as water flows are significantly altered?
With suggestions like this reaching the public domain we can only hope that the sole purpose is to inform the masses that a large number of very otherwise intelligent people are, in fact, right on the edge of complete madness.
robinessex said:
I'm reading a book at the moment called "Humans: A Brief History of How We F****d It All Up" by Tom Philipps. All the CC evangelists and politicians should read it. Chapter 2 "Nice Environment You've Got There" deals with the results of mankind adjusting nature. We lost. The most recent example given is what happened to the central plains of the USA in the first half of the twentieth century. The result was The American Dust Bowel https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/du... My advice to all CC evangelists and Politicians is to leave the planet alone, it can look after itself.
I'll digest that one later 
The climate cash cow needs to be milked some more: carbon trading to bolster EU funds post Brexit:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-budget-offici...
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-budget-offici...
robinessex said:
zygalski said:
Anyway, where's the proof of the increase in so-called extreme weather events?
There isn't any. Pure conjecture, but we're still going to save the planet from them.
He is convinced that the brook at the bottom of our gardens will flood and block our road!! Asked him why and he said the BBC weather and Mystic Met say it's going to be worse than storm Ciara which almost did........cheers Accuweather
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