Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
Silkyskills said:
Well we're raising the average temperature globally (but we can't raise it in any particular street tomorrow) so why do you think we can't halt the process?
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it. If you genuinely believe you can influence the weather, try to stop the next storm system that heads our way then get back to me when youre through canute-ing about.
What chance then of controlling an entire world? None. Peeing in the wind.
Future generations will look back at the recent influx of mental illness running rampant across science and ask " Just what the hell was wrong with them?"
Theres absolutely zero evidence that humans have warmed the earth by any measurable degree ( no pun).its fabrication, delusion and fraud perpetrated on a grand scale simply as a method to control peoples lives using hockey graphs and hidden declines propped up via a gargantuan dose of gigo, hysteria and fakery. The whole case to my mind is perfidious.
As per that other true believer occupation, religion with its millions of believers worldwide theres no proof , just faith brother have faith! Hallelujah! Oh sure they too have their books and their papers all peer reviewed by various clergy, dont make it so though.
Still they believe and similarly questioning their beliefs makes them angsty. for some reason.
Fragile narratives that cant stand criticism or scrutiny arent worth the time of day.
Silkyskills said:
Dont Panic said:
Lotus 50 said:
or put another way 2% of GDP per year to prevent additional increases in temp beyond those we're already committed to...
Explain to me the mechanism how "we" are going to control the temperature even locally in your street tomorrow?If you cant even control local weather then globally its just a pipedream at least and a delusion at worst.
Dont Panic said:
How to spot a fraud-
Climate change. Why is it always reported as a bad thing? Disaster, Apocalypse etc?
Can it really be true that there are no upsides to it?
Plenty of upsides to increasing CO2 content - just look how much greener the planet is, how much more crop can be grown, how less energy is required for heating, Climate change. Why is it always reported as a bad thing? Disaster, Apocalypse etc?
Can it really be true that there are no upsides to it?
But that doesn't suit the narrative, so is never mentioned.
This one's a beauty, here's a few snippets, read it and weep...
https://www.eco-business.com/news/uk-airports-must...
Article said:
If it is to achieve its target of net zero climate emissions by 2050, all UK airports must close by mid-century...
...Electrification of surface transport, rail and road, needs to be rapid, with the phasing out of all development of petrol and diesel cars immediately. Even if all private cars are electric, the amount of traffic will have to fall to 60 per cent of 2020 levels by 2050, and all cars will have to be smaller...
...such luxuries as flying away on holiday and driving large cars will have to be foregone, and eating beef and lamb curtailed...
...Electrification of surface transport, rail and road, needs to be rapid, with the phasing out of all development of petrol and diesel cars immediately. Even if all private cars are electric, the amount of traffic will have to fall to 60 per cent of 2020 levels by 2050, and all cars will have to be smaller...
...such luxuries as flying away on holiday and driving large cars will have to be foregone, and eating beef and lamb curtailed...
https://www.eco-business.com/news/uk-airports-must...
mondeoman said:
Dont Panic said:
How to spot a fraud-
Climate change. Why is it always reported as a bad thing? Disaster, Apocalypse etc?
Can it really be true that there are no upsides to it?
Plenty of upsides to increasing CO2 content - just look how much greener the planet is, how much more crop can be grown, how less energy is required for heating, Climate change. Why is it always reported as a bad thing? Disaster, Apocalypse etc?
Can it really be true that there are no upsides to it?
But that doesn't suit the narrative, so is never mentioned.
deeps said:
This one's a beauty, here's a few snippets, read it and weep...
https://www.eco-business.com/news/uk-airports-must...
Stovey, I did warn you that they’d be coming after you next. Still I guess you’ll not feel conflicted any more once you’ve been grounded. Article said:
If it is to achieve its target of net zero climate emissions by 2050, all UK airports must close by mid-century...
...Electrification of surface transport, rail and road, needs to be rapid, with the phasing out of all development of petrol and diesel cars immediately. Even if all private cars are electric, the amount of traffic will have to fall to 60 per cent of 2020 levels by 2050, and all cars will have to be smaller...
...such luxuries as flying away on holiday and driving large cars will have to be foregone, and eating beef and lamb curtailed...
...Electrification of surface transport, rail and road, needs to be rapid, with the phasing out of all development of petrol and diesel cars immediately. Even if all private cars are electric, the amount of traffic will have to fall to 60 per cent of 2020 levels by 2050, and all cars will have to be smaller...
...such luxuries as flying away on holiday and driving large cars will have to be foregone, and eating beef and lamb curtailed...
https://www.eco-business.com/news/uk-airports-must...
Dont Panic said:
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it.
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.- Where's the evidence?
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
How you lie about a f
king glacier melting is beyond me. Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint. 
durbster said:
Dont Panic said:
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it.
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.- Where's the evidence?
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
How you lie about a f
king glacier melting is beyond me. Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint. Vanden Saab said:
durbster said:
Dont Panic said:
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it.
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.- Where's the evidence?
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
How you lie about a f
king glacier melting is beyond me. Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint. durbster said:
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.
Slurs due to lack of evidence equals argument lacking in veracity.
Nice to see you acknowledge my comments have achieved theory status, in the case of agw its still at hypothesis stage.
Maybe you can point me to a date and time when agw was accepted worldwide as irrefutably proven?
durbster said:
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
Appeals to authority, invalid.700 million muslims agree that their god has the biggest willy and made everything.
Do you agree with their hypothesis too?
durbster said:
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
Dont be so silly, chucking a strop like that. I never said all scientists are frauds, just the ones promoting agw. durbster said:
How you lie about a fking glacier melting is beyond me.
Its easy. You include "research" from a magazine. Cant remember the specifics but some faked opinions and a couple of photos found their way into AR5 iirc....king glacier melting is beyond me.durbster said:
Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint.
From the side who believe the world is going to end in 12 years time. kerplunk said:
Vanden Saab said:
durbster said:
Dont Panic said:
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it.
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.- Where's the evidence?
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
How you lie about a f
king glacier melting is beyond me. Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint. durbster said:
Dont Panic said:
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it.
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.- Where's the evidence?
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
How you lie about a f
king glacier melting is beyond me. Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint. Dont Panic said:
durbster said:
How you lie about a fking glacier melting is beyond me.
Its easy. You include "research" from a magazine. Cant remember the specifics but some faked opinions and a couple of photos found their way into AR5 iirc....king glacier melting is beyond me.
Glaciergate. Just one example in a long line of dodgy ‘research’ by so-called experts and taken as gospel by the gullible..
Dont Panic said:
kerplunk said:
Vanden Saab said:
durbster said:
Dont Panic said:
Sorry but I dont buy it, theres no untainted evidence to prove it.
Inevitably, we have another conspiracy theorist.- Where's the evidence?
Here's the evidence. There's masses of it and it's proven using the scientific method and accepted by all relevant experts across the world.
- Sorry, not interested. I saw a YouTube video by a layman on the internet that said all the scientists are frauds and are lying and the evidence is tainted and I believe that instead.
How you lie about a f
king glacier melting is beyond me. Probably best not to try and rationalise a wholly irrational viewpoint. deeps said:
Staggering hypocrisy from the author.Paul Brown is a former environment correspondent for The Guardian newspaper, and still writes columns for the paper. He began working as a reporter on a weekly paper in Sussex and progressed to evening and morning newspapers before joining The Guardian in 1981. In his role as environment correspondent, he travelled to more than 50 countries, and to the Arctic and Antarctic regions.
Dont Panic said:
kerplunk said:
Appeals to scientific expertise have probabilistic merit when the data hasnt been fudged. Comparisons to religious belief are valid when the scientific method has been corrupted by true believers.
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